Its tough to change decades of not winning and attempt to turn it around recruiting wise. A couple of points its great to get three star players but if you can't keep them or retain them well....I thought this recruit retention problem would go away with CC around but it is happening this year. Second we have a number of camps with players coming in to be evaluated, I expect more offers as the camps progress. I thought English was the guru of JUCO recruiting especially California and Arizona but the current staff has shown that they a number of nationwide JUCO connections from solid programs. I agree with Steve and the other comments that JUCO may be the way to go in terms of getting this program competitive. We all know that winning or signs of progress is the best way to improve our recruiting results being competitive in the MAC.