(06-22-2014 09:19 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-22-2014 06:46 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(06-21-2014 02:44 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-21-2014 10:58 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  OU and OkState were not going to the PAC 12 without Texas unless Texas went independent or Texas went to a conference that would not let in OU and OkState

and the PAC 12 never voted on OU and OkState they voted to table discussions on expansion after OU let them know that Texas was staying in the Big 12 and OU and OkState were no longer interested in joining the PAC 12

and every school in the Big 10 and every school soon to be in the Big 10 is a "flagship" university except for Northwestern that is private

Who cut off discussions with whom between the Pac-12 and OU/OSU back in the Fall of 2011 is open for debate.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...c-12-snub/

But the impression was that OU/OSU were more surprised than they should have been, if it were all just a "ploy".

Cheers,
Neil

this article does not prove anything other than poor journalism that will use innuendo to try and make the point they want to make is alive and well in the USA

the article clearly states that no one from OU or OkState was surprised from their won words

and then if you do not believe them and you want to try and believe what the reporter is trying to make you believe the only "facts" you have to support that they were "surprised" is that the OkState BOR was notified that they should be ready to meet quickly if needed

but that hardly supports a conclusion that OU or OkState or anyone else was caught off guard or surprised by any outcome

here is a different article with a different take

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegespor...to-expand/

it says clearly in the article that "their sources" say that the PAC 12 would take OU and OkState without Texas

That blog was written prior to A&M accepting the bid to be SEC #11.

The article I linked was afterward.

So speculation as to what the Pac might or might not do has less weight when we now know that they didn't invite OU and OSU without Texas.

Again, my post was to just point out that there is no definitive answer to things both sides of this tangent are trying to claim are definitive.

The rest of your post is dribble.

Cheers,
Neil

true, but your article was an "after the fact" just making stuff up by some reporter that wanted to write a story about OU being caught flat footed.....and he made a lot of wild speculations about that based on nothing more than an email that told OkState regents to be ready and available in case there was a BOR meeting called

that is hardly even remote proof that OkState was expecting a PAC 12 invite or that the PAC 12 turned down OU and OkState

and here

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...cepted-sec

son September 26, 2011 A&M was officially accepted into the SEC SEC SEC so it was CLEAR to all they were gone before that

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-ta...ning-stea/

and here is an article written 12 days before that on the 14th where the writer specifically list out "odds" of which conference that UT will end up in

and he pretty much mentions ALL of then including for some reason the Big East (when ND was still there)

and he also mentions the link that I posted prior from the Mercury

the point being that Texas was in talks with MANY conferences and that writers from other conference schools besides OU that were covering this by the hour in come cases were covering it from the point of view that Texas was talking to numerous conferences about many different things and at least from the perspective of this writer the PAC 12 was the next to last place UT would end up

and he also mentioned that he talked to an "insider from OkState" and that OkState might be hesitant about going to the PAC 12 with just OU

and he also mentions that OU and Texas seem to be tired of each other and that OU is looking to go ahead and bolt

so again no matter what some say the reality is that Texas was talking to a lot of different conferences, Texas was talking to ND and Texas had a lot of options and OU finally realized that they needed to look out for OU because of Texas decided to move from the Big 12 without OU then OU did not want to be caught flat footed and looking really bad

and it is also clear that the PAC 12 was caught off guard that Texas was looking at MANY options and that the Big 10 and SEC were ready to make moves very quickly which could leave the PAC 12 without Texas for sure and possibly without OU and OkState as well

so it was not nearly as simple as just "well UT is not coming here PAC 12 ends thinking about expansion" and then "Well OK and OkState called and we said no"

it was more PAC 12 hopes and prays (well they don't pray in the PAC 12, but they burned incense) that Texas ends up and comes with their tail between their legs and if not the PAC 12 better have a backup plan for at least 2 more teams and those first two teams are OU and OkState to start because they are looking for a backup plan as well and if the PAC 12 does not at least get them and they watch others go past 14 they might really be screwed

and when it was decided that Texas was staying, OU would stay and the Big 12 would stay together Sooner Joe called Larry "I talk To The Press Too Much" Scott and told him they were not interested and the PAC 12 voted to table the expansion discussion

(06-22-2014 09:35 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(06-22-2014 06:46 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  Texas always told Texas Tech that they would work with them the best they could, but the would make no promises that they would go anywhere together

Texas is not tied to Texas Tech the same way that OU seems to be tied to OkState........if the legislature in Texas was going to get involved they would have gotten involved with Texas and Texas a&M splitting up long before they concerned themselves with Texas and Texas Tech

1. Not true at all. Tech and Texas are partners working very well together. We had a spot in the PAC and ACC if Texas wanted to move on.
2. A&M caught the perfect political storm when they wanted to leave. Aggy Governor and the Tx Legislature out of session. Rick Perry wasn't about to call the legislature back into session over aggy leaving.

oh good God you embarrass yourself so often and Texas Tech in general

Texas and Texas Tech did work well together, but after Texas had decided they wanted to keep the LHN and that the PAC 12 was not going to allow that Texas was very clear in telling Texas Tech that they would try and work with them the best that they could, but that there was no guarantee

and Texas Tech never had a spot in the PAC 12 without Texas and Texas Tech was even less likely for the ACC with Texas and not even mentioned for the ACC without Texas as well