(06-04-2014 02:02 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 01:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:  even under the best case scenario:

-They don't declare war on Russia

This is the major factor. Do this and Germany can take all of Europe.

Quote:-The United States loses its carriers, dry docks, & oil reserves at Pearl Harbor

The loss of Pearl only give Japan a 3-4 month window to assert local control of the Western Pacific. They can hold Pearl Harbor, nor can they reach the West Coast. Eventually the US comes back and retakes everything it lost.

Quote:
-The US only declares war on only Japan and Germany-US do not go to war in late 1941

If this occurs without the two front consideration then the Western Allies have no chance of expelling Germany from France and Spain.

Quote:could they have pulled off the win with all of this????

IMO, Germany might have locked up Western Europe, but Japan had no chance of ever succeeding in their goals.

all fantastic points. Germany could of cleaned up in Europe.

IMO if the US didn't go to war with germany in 41/early 42, if german troops landed on english beaches the US would of realized they had to get involved in the european theater. it is most likely that in this scenario america's involvement in europe is only delayed not prevented.