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RE: Why FSU is #1 and there's no debate
(12-02-2013 01:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
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(12-02-2013 11:52 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Duke will upset FSU. Michigan State will upset Ohio State. Auburn will beat Missouri...and we'll end up with an Auburn/Alabama rematch, just like Alabama/LSU a few years ago. And once again, after losing a close regular season game, Alabama will blow away Auburn. 05-stirthepot
This does look a bit familiar to a couple years ago, BTF.

Not quite... A couple years ago, LSU beat their conference opponent 42-10, while #3 OkSt beat #12 OU 44-10...

Unfortunately, Alabama still remained at #2 like a leach that wasn't letting go.

NCAA: Dear Alabama, if at first you don't succeed, don't worry, we'll give you another shot, no matter how bad #3 beats their opponent in their CCG.
I know that some people dismiss the potential impact that the plane crash that killed the OSU Womens' basketball team had on OSU's loss at ISU that year. Yes, it's true that the players on that team wouldn't likely have known those coaches, and certainly wouldn't likely have been close to them. Even the coaches were probably not much more than acquaintances. But at the same time, I think it likely did have an impact, because it brought back the realities of air travel, 10 years after another crash involving the OSU Men's team. When it happens elsewhere, it's a lot easier to shake off, but when it happens more than once at your place, it can make you think. The team also performed somewhat similarly to how KU's Men's basketball performed the day after one of their players' mother died - they had an adrenaline rush and took an early lead, only to fade in the 2nd half.

Since Alabama won convincingly it's hard to argue that they didn't deserve to be there, and by most peoples' "eye test" it's likely LSU would have beaten OSU - but at the same time, if there was ever a time when extenuating circumstances for a loss could be considered, I think this was one of them.
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RE: Why FSU is #1 and there's no debate
(12-02-2013 04:25 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 01:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 12:48 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 11:52 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Duke will upset FSU. Michigan State will upset Ohio State. Auburn will beat Missouri...and we'll end up with an Auburn/Alabama rematch, just like Alabama/LSU a few years ago. And once again, after losing a close regular season game, Alabama will blow away Auburn. 05-stirthepot
This does look a bit familiar to a couple years ago, BTF.

Not quite... A couple years ago, LSU beat their conference opponent 42-10, while #3 OkSt beat #12 OU 44-10...

Unfortunately, Alabama still remained at #2 like a leach that wasn't letting go.

NCAA: Dear Alabama, if at first you don't succeed, don't worry, we'll give you another shot, no matter how bad #3 beats their opponent in their CCG.
I know that some people dismiss the potential impact that the plane crash that killed the OSU Womens' basketball team had on OSU's loss at ISU that year. Yes, it's true that the players on that team wouldn't likely have known those coaches, and certainly wouldn't likely have been close to them. Even the coaches were probably not much more than acquaintances. But at the same time, I think it likely did have an impact, because it brought back the realities of air travel, 10 years after another crash involving the OSU Men's team. When it happens elsewhere, it's a lot easier to shake off, but when it happens more than once at your place, it can make you think. The team also performed somewhat similarly to how KU's Men's basketball performed the day after one of their players' mother died - they had an adrenaline rush and took an early lead, only to fade in the 2nd half.

Since Alabama won convincingly it's hard to argue that they didn't deserve to be there, and by most peoples' "eye test" it's likely LSU would have beaten OSU - but at the same time, if there was ever a time when extenuating circumstances for a loss could be considered, I think this was one of them.

I just can't buy it... There were a lot of things obviously tied into LSU's game play too, like the Read Opition Pass on 3rd and 10, four times in a row and running the exact same 5 plays 90% of the time... Who is stupid enough to call that over and over in the biggest game of the year?
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(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points perlled some of trhose teams. game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

They said last night on the ESPN that Floroda State has played the weakest schedule of any BCS champonship team. Their schedule has been horribly weak, NIU would have probably rolled some of those teams.
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(12-02-2013 06:45 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points perlled some of trhose teams. game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

They said last night on the ESPN that Floroda State has played the weakest schedule of any BCS champonship team. Their schedule has been horribly weak, NIU would have probably rolled some of those teams.

But that's part of the story. They aren't the only ones that have played a "weak" schedule over the past 50 years. Yet, they have been the most dominant.
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(12-02-2013 08:40 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 06:45 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points perlled some of trhose teams. game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

They said last night on the ESPN that Floroda State has played the weakest schedule of any BCS champonship team. Their schedule has been horribly weak, NIU would have probably rolled some of those teams.

But that's part of the story. They aren't the only ones that have played a "weak" schedule over the past 50 years. Yet, they have been the most dominant.

You should know better than to attempt to argue on behalf of FSU.

Anyone who does not play in the SEC, plays a weak schedule according to SEC fans. No injury to key members of the team matter. Georgia losing key members does not matter - they sucked. Miami losing their starting tailback does not matter - they sucked because they lost to 12-0 FSU, lost at 10-2 Duke in the cold in Durham, and to 8-4 VT in the pouring rain.

When SEC teams lose to other SEC teams, that's okay. When ACC teams lose to ACC teams - they suck.

Auburn is 11-1 because of pure skill and the strength of the SEC west. Luck played no part in their win over depleted Georgia - that was not a fluke hail mary you saw, but pure SEC dominance at work. It was pure SEC dominance at work when Bama forgot that you could return a short FG kick.

Just admit it - FSU sucks. Their winning margin means nothing, because every team they played sucked. They sucked because they are ACC teams. If FSU had played Kentucky, Arkansas, Ole Miss, MSU, Vandy and some of the other SEC titans this year, then perhaps FSU would have a good team.

Give it up. FSU stinks. 03-wink
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RE: Why FSU is #1 and there's no debate
(12-02-2013 08:53 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 08:40 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 06:45 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points perlled some of trhose teams. game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

They said last night on the ESPN that Floroda State has played the weakest schedule of any BCS champonship team. Their schedule has been horribly weak, NIU would have probably rolled some of those teams.

But that's part of the story. They aren't the only ones that have played a "weak" schedule over the past 50 years. Yet, they have been the most dominant.

You should know better than to attempt to argue on behalf of FSU.

Anyone who does not play in the SEC, plays a weak schedule according to SEC fans. No injury to key members of the team matter. Georgia losing key members does not matter - they sucked. Miami losing their starting tailback does not matter - they sucked because they lost to 12-0 FSU, lost at 10-2 Duke in the cold in Durham, and to 8-4 VT in the pouring rain.

When SEC teams lose to other SEC teams, that's okay. When ACC teams lose to ACC teams - they suck.

Auburn is 11-1 because of pure skill and the strength of the SEC west. Luck played no part in their win over depleted Georgia - that was not a fluke hail mary you saw, but pure SEC dominance at work. It was pure SEC dominance at work when Bama forgot that you could return a short FG kick.

Just admit it - FSU sucks. Their winning margin means nothing, because every team they played sucked. They sucked because they are ACC teams. If FSU had played Kentucky, Arkansas, Ole Miss, MSU, Vandy and some of the other SEC titans this year, then perhaps FSU would have a good team.

Give it up. FSU stinks. 03-wink

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RE: Why FSU is #1 and there's no debate
(12-02-2013 08:53 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 08:40 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 06:45 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points perlled some of trhose teams. game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.




They said last night on the ESPN that Floroda State has played the weakest schedule of any BCS champonship team. Their schedule has been horribly weak, NIU would have probably rolled some of those teams.

But that's part of the story. They aren't the only ones that have played a "weak" schedule over the past 50 years. Yet, they have been the most dominant.

You should know better than to attempt to argue on behalf of FSU.

Anyone who does not play in the SEC, plays a weak schedule according to SEC fans. No injury to key members of the team matter. Georgia losing key members does not matter - they sucked. Miami losing their starting tailback does not matter - they sucked because they lost to 12-0 FSU, lost at 10-2 Duke in the cold in Durham, and to 8-4 VT in the pouring rain.

When SEC teams lose to other SEC teams, that's okay. When ACC teams lose to ACC teams - they suck.

Auburn is 11-1 because of pure skill and the strength of the SEC west. Luck played no part in their win over depleted Georgia - that was not a fluke hail mary you saw, but pure SEC dominance at work. It was pure SEC dominance at work when Bama forgot that you could return a short FG kick.

Just admit it - FSU sucks. Their winning margin means nothing, because every team they played sucked. They sucked because they are ACC teams. If FSU had played Kentucky, Arkansas, Ole Miss, MSU, Vandy and some of the other SEC titans this year, then perhaps FSU would have a good team.

Give it up. FSU stinks. 03-wink

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(12-02-2013 08:40 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 06:45 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points perlled some of trhose teams. game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

They said last night on the ESPN that Floroda State has played the weakest schedule of any BCS champonship team. Their schedule has been horribly weak, NIU would have probably rolled some of those teams.

But that's part of the story. They aren't the only ones that have played a "weak" schedule over the past 50 years. Yet, they have been the most dominant.

Problem is, the ability to RUTS against a bad team isn't indicative of ability to beat good teams.
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(12-02-2013 09:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 08:40 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 06:45 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points perlled some of trhose teams. game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

They said last night on the ESPN that Floroda State has played the weakest schedule of any BCS champonship team. Their schedule has been horribly weak, NIU would have probably rolled some of those teams.

But that's part of the story. They aren't the only ones that have played a "weak" schedule over the past 50 years. Yet, they have been the most dominant.

Problem is, the ability to RUTS against a bad team isn't indicative of ability to beat good teams.

Wasn't the point of the thread. The point of the thread was pointing out how this level of domination is unprecedented.
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(12-02-2013 04:25 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 01:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 12:48 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 11:52 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Duke will upset FSU. Michigan State will upset Ohio State. Auburn will beat Missouri...and we'll end up with an Auburn/Alabama rematch, just like Alabama/LSU a few years ago. And once again, after losing a close regular season game, Alabama will blow away Auburn. 05-stirthepot
This does look a bit familiar to a couple years ago, BTF.

Not quite... A couple years ago, LSU beat their conference opponent 42-10, while #3 OkSt beat #12 OU 44-10...

Unfortunately, Alabama still remained at #2 like a leach that wasn't letting go.

NCAA: Dear Alabama, if at first you don't succeed, don't worry, we'll give you another shot, no matter how bad #3 beats their opponent in their CCG.
I know that some people dismiss the potential impact that the plane crash that killed the OSU Womens' basketball team had on OSU's loss at ISU that year. Yes, it's true that the players on that team wouldn't likely have known those coaches, and certainly wouldn't likely have been close to them. Even the coaches were probably not much more than acquaintances. But at the same time, I think it likely did have an impact, because it brought back the realities of air travel, 10 years after another crash involving the OSU Men's team. When it happens elsewhere, it's a lot easier to shake off, but when it happens more than once at your place, it can make you think. The team also performed somewhat similarly to how KU's Men's basketball performed the day after one of their players' mother died - they had an adrenaline rush and took an early lead, only to fade in the 2nd half.

Since Alabama won convincingly it's hard to argue that they didn't deserve to be there, and by most peoples' "eye test" it's likely LSU would have beaten OSU - but at the same time, if there was ever a time when extenuating circumstances for a loss could be considered, I think this was one of them.

Actually there were some very close relationsips with the two Women's coaches that died in that plane crash. Some of the football players were tight with some of the women players. And the Gundy's were close to the Women's basketball coach and his wife. If you saw the awards being presented to the OSU football team after they won the Fiesta Bowl you will know what I am talking about. Gundy bringing the wife of the Womens's coach on the stage and huging here and holding her close.
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