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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(01-26-2019 11:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If realignment happens again how should the SEC, not ESPN, approach it?

My suggestion is that we make a very solid offer to Oklahoma and wait for a response. If they take it, it pressures Texas to seriously consider it. If they take it were done.

If Oklahoma insists on Oklahoma State we call Texas and tell them that we can take them and Texas Tech. if they accept we are done.

If Texas is wishy washy or says no. We call Oklahoma back and take the pair. The pressure is still on Texas. Everyone their fans love to play will now be in the SEC. Only this time we tell Texas if they are now interested that we can make room for them, but that Kansas will have to be the travel companion. If they say yes we move to 18. If they say no we are done.

If Texas and Texas Tech say yes and Oklahoma calls and wants to reconsider then we tell them that we can make room for them but that Kansas will have to be their travel companion. If they say yes we move to 18 and we are done. If they say no we stay at 16 with Texas and Texas Tech.

While the SEC is 1st in average revenue, the Big 12 is 3rd in average revenue. We won't have access to the 2nd best product...the Big Ten, but we will have an ability to absorb valuable parts of the 3rd best product.

I think we have to look at this in terms of consolidating revenue earning potential. The Big 12 schools do, after all, dominate their region.

From the other thread on revenue:

Big 12:

1. Texas: $214,830,647
7. Oklahoma: $155,238,481
30. West Virginia: $110,565,870
32. Texas Christian: $105,055,587
37. Baylor: $98,125,426
42. Kansas: $95,251,461
46. Oklahoma State: $91,644,865
51. Texas Tech: $88,804,476
53. Kansas State: $86,081,528
60. Iowa State: $82,659,447

Total: $1,128,257,788

Average Per Team: $112,825,779

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Now, Texas and Oklahoma are obviously the big dogs, but let's look at the averages when you remove UT and OU:

$94,773,582.5

So, nearly a $20M per team difference when you add in UT and OU.

The most interesting thing about these numbers to me is that's roughly the ACC average when you include all of their top schools. Remove a couple of top revenue producers from the ACC and things look fairly dire.

ACC averages:

13. Florida State: $144,514,413
24. Louisville: $120,445,303
29. Clemson: $112,600,964
35. Duke: $100,480,206
41. North Carolina: $96,540,823
45. Virginia: $92,865,175
47. Syracuse: $91,445,865
50. Miami: $89,135,175
52. Virginia Tech: $87,427,526
55. Pittsburgh: $84,831,036
57. N.C. State: $83,741,572
61. Georgia Tech: $81,762,024
64. Boston College: $74,587,091
65. Wake Forest: $66,995,224

Total: $1,327,372,397

Average Per Team: $94,812,314

The only school in the ACC that is currently generating more than our average is Florida State, but we won't be cracking the ACC for a while assuming it ever happens.

It's fair to consider that the ACC will get a boost from the ACC Network, but no such boost will be coming for Big 12 schools because their content will never be bundled. So their 3rd tier contracts are more varied than what the ACC will be bringing forth.

BUT...any 3rd tier deal for the SEC would be more valuable if it contained some Big 12 schools because the inventory would be larger if for no other reason.

Let me suggest that part of the reason the Big 12 is on the chopping block is because their pieces are the more valuable ones. The other factors have been discussed, and they are certainly relevant, but considering the ACC is at the bottom of revenue then I think it's fair to say that very little of the ACC product would actually add value to the SEC or anyone else.

When a company wants to acquire new properties in the same industry, do they go all out for the ones that are weaker or do they try to "merge" with the ones that will combine for greater marketshare?

There are a lot of reasons the Big 12 is not doing well, but I think the networks have not done much to solidify the foundation of the league because it would be easier to absorb its value. The Big 12's unique situation with regard to its small markets doesn't really detract from its quality of content. What the Big 12 needs is access to better audiences rather than a wholesale dismembering.

The ACC would be harder to digest and so perhaps that is one of the key reasons ESPN has spent more time trying to strengthen it when it would have been easier to tear it apart.

Personally, I think we should go for about 6 schools from the Big 12. The Texahoma 4 is probably the best starting point. I think Kansas should be in there. Not sure who the 6th should be other than West Virginia is probably needed by the ACC.

The 1st tier is stronger with Texas and Oklahoma aboard, that is obvious. I think our 2nd and 3rd tier is stronger with a few others aboard.

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For reference, the numbers of the SEC:

SEC:

2. Texas A&M: $211,960,034
5. Alabama: $174,307,419
6. Georgia: $157,852,479
8. Florida: $149,165,475
9. Louisiana State: $147,744,233
10. Auburn: $147,511,034
11. Tennessee: $145,653,191
16. South Carolina: $136,032,845
18. Kentucky: $130,706,744
20. Arkansas: $129,680,808
26. Mississippi: $117,834,511
36. Mississippi State: $100,062,237
38. Missouri: $97,848,195
62. Vanderbilt: $80,335,651

Total: $1,926,694,856

Average Per Team: $137,621,061
01-27-2019 10:53 PM
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