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RE: 2014/2015 "BCS" Bowl Games
(05-06-2013 08:50 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(05-06-2013 07:38 PM)IAH Wrote:  I am quite confused about what the "bcs"games will look like next season. All I know is that they are adding one more game (cotton). And my undestanding is that one team not from the top 5 confences will get a spot on it. Am I missing somehting?

Can someone please explain?

No, they will add two more BCS level bowls in 2014-2015. Besides Fiesta, Sugar, Rose and Orange, they will add two more bowls, Cotton and Peach (formerly known as Chick-A-Fil). And the whole system will renamed as "College Football Playoff". Two of six bowls will be served as Playoff Semifinals. So there are only eight spots open. Five spots are reserved for Power Five Conference champions. (Note Orange spot is shared by Notre Dame and ACC and if Power Five champion lands in Top 4, they will name their own replacement in their permanent spot.) The three remaining spots are selected by a committee similar to basketball selection committee. Two will be at-larges from Power Five and the last spot will be selected from AAC, Mountain West, MAC, WAC, Sun-Belt and Conference USA. The six non-power conferences is also called Gang of Six.

Basically there will be six BCS bowls. Eleven teams will be from Power Five and one team will be from Gang of Six. SEC will be the biggest winner. They could place seven teams in BCS bowls theroretically if they have top 4, then champion replacement and two at-larges. Big East (AAC) is the biggest loser under the new system because they lose their permanent BCS bowl spot and has to fight with the other five non-power conferences for that last spot.

Thanks, I wonder if there is a way we can ever get two spots. Also, hopefully the selection process is set up in a certain way so we dont always get stuck with the "worst" opponent (or ACC).
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RE: 2014/2015 "BCS" Bowl Games
Sorry guys, I guess I had old information. Does anyone have a link stating that the B1G/Pac and the SEC/B12 match-ups do not necessarily happen when the Rose & Sugar host semis? I was under the impression that those matches were held sacred...
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RE: 2014/2015 "BCS" Bowl Games
(05-07-2013 08:15 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(05-07-2013 08:05 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(05-07-2013 07:50 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  
(05-07-2013 04:11 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The good news is that the best team of the G5 conferences is guaranteed a spot every year. As for which slot... there are a lot of rules & by-laws. If I got it right, here's how the 3-year cycle will look for G5 teams:

Phase 1
Rose & Sugar - semi finals - #1 vs. #4, #2 vs. #3
Orange - ACC vs. SEC/B1G/ND
Fiesta - B1G vs. Pac-12
Cotton - B12 vs. SEC
Peach - at-large vs. G5
(total slots open to G5 = 2 max, must be Peach)

Phase 2
Orange & Cotton - semi finals - #1 vs. #4, #2 vs. #3
Rose - B1G vs. Pac-12
Sugar - B12 vs. SEC
Peach - ACC vs. at-large
Fiesta - at-large vs. at-large
(total slots open to G5 = 3 max, could be either Peach or Fiesta)

Phase 3
Fiesta & Peach - semi finals - #1 vs. #4, #2 vs. #3
Rose - B1G vs. Pac-12
Sugar - B12 vs. SEC
Orange - ACC vs. SEC/B1G/ND
Cotton - at-large vs. G5
(total slots open to G5 = 2 max, must be Cotton)

I did not think the Cotton automatically receives a Big XII and SEC if those schools make the playoff when the Sugar Bowl is a semifinal host.

It doesn't matter if they make the playoff or not - that is their "contract" bowl tie-in for when the Sugar is a semi-final. That is how the Pac, B1G, SEC and B12 hosed the G5, IMO (it doesn't appear that the ACC was a party to that under-the-table deal; we were actually trying to get the SEC or B1G team in the Orange, but at the last minute they changed the deal and said those teams have to go to an Access bowl to play the Pac or B12 team).

No it is not. The contract conferences are only guaranteed a spot somewhere in the system when their contract bowl hosts a semifinal, not a secondary bowl game - that is patently wrong. The Cotton does not acquire the Sugar Bowl tie-ins when the Sugar hosts the semifinals. If a XII or SEC team makes the playoff, that counts as a spot, but additional teams from those conferences could be included based on how they are ranked. The Fiesta and Cotton are not "back-up bowls" for the B1G/PAC and SEC/XII. They are at-large games.

Correct. The Cotton and Peach Bowls no longer have tie-ins to the SEC/Big 12/ACC (respectively). Nor does the Fiesta have their quasi-tie in to the Big 12. These bowls are (a) tied in to #1/#2/#3/#4 when hosting semis, or (b) at-large bowls to be filled in by the selection committee with whatever teams are eligible if they are not hosting semis, and the committee is under no obligation to fill them with teams from any particular conference.
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(05-07-2013 08:31 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Sorry guys, I guess I had old information. Does anyone have a link stating that the B1G/Pac and the SEC/B12 match-ups do not necessarily happen when the Rose & Sugar host semis? I was under the impression that those matches were held sacred...

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...inal-games

Quote:The six games will include three "contract bowls" and three "host bowls." The spots in the contract bowls are reserved for teams that have deals with those bowls.


The contract bowls are: Rose (Pac-12 versus Big Ten), Sugar (SEC versus Big 12) and Orange (ACC versus Big Ten, SEC or Notre Dame).


While a Big Ten or SEC team could be selected to the Orange Bowl, the commissioners have agreed that when the Rose and/or Sugar bowls are hosting the semifinals, the Big Ten or SEC champion will not be placed in the Orange Bowl. Instead, it would have to be placed in one of the three other access bowls to increase the worth of that bowl, sources told ESPN.


Those remaining three access or "host" bowls still must be determined, but the leading candidates are the Fiesta, Cotton and Chick-fil-A, sources said.


With the "Group of Five" earning an automatic bid, that will lock up seven of the 12 berths in the six access bowls. The other five berths will be filled with at-large teams chosen, based on their final rankings, by a yet-to-be-formed selection committee.

Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby wasn't concerned that his league does not have a second contract bowl.
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(05-07-2013 08:15 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  I broke down the permutations of the next three bowl cycles using the 2012 BCS standings here: http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=631...pid9293719

The real value to the P5 of their tie-ins with the Rose, Sugar, and Orange respectively is in the years when those bowls (a) do not host a semi-finals game, and (b) a P5 only has 1 team that is ranked high enough such that it would make the access or playoff bowls on the merits.

E.g., let's consider the PAC and the Rose Bowl. Let's say in a given year the Rose is hosting a semifinal, and one PAC team is ranked #3 and thus qualifies for the playoffs, but no other PAC team is ranked in the top 25. In that case, the playoff berth is the only guaranteed spot in the 6 playoff/access bowls the PAC has that year, and given that no other PAC team is ranked in the top 25, the selection committee surely will not put another PAC team in an access bowl.

But, if the Rose is NOT hosting the playoffs, and if one PAC team is ranked #3 and thus qualifies for the playoffs, then no matter how lousy the rest of the PAC is, even if no PAC other team is ranked in the top 25, the PAC will get a second team in the playoffs/access bowls, because when the Rose is not hosting a semifinal it ALWAYS will include a PAC team.
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RE: 2014/2015 "BCS" Bowl Games
(05-07-2013 08:27 AM)IAH Wrote:  
(05-06-2013 08:50 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(05-06-2013 07:38 PM)IAH Wrote:  I am quite confused about what the "bcs"games will look like next season. All I know is that they are adding one more game (cotton). And my undestanding is that one team not from the top 5 confences will get a spot on it. Am I missing somehting?

Can someone please explain?

No, they will add two more BCS level bowls in 2014-2015. Besides Fiesta, Sugar, Rose and Orange, they will add two more bowls, Cotton and Peach (formerly known as Chick-A-Fil). And the whole system will renamed as "College Football Playoff". Two of six bowls will be served as Playoff Semifinals. So there are only eight spots open. Five spots are reserved for Power Five Conference champions. (Note Orange spot is shared by Notre Dame and ACC and if Power Five champion lands in Top 4, they will name their own replacement in their permanent spot.) The three remaining spots are selected by a committee similar to basketball selection committee. Two will be at-larges from Power Five and the last spot will be selected from AAC, Mountain West, MAC, WAC, Sun-Belt and Conference USA. The six non-power conferences is also called Gang of Six.

Basically there will be six BCS bowls. Eleven teams will be from Power Five and one team will be from Gang of Six. SEC will be the biggest winner. They could place seven teams in BCS bowls theroretically if they have top 4, then champion replacement and two at-larges. Big East (AAC) is the biggest loser under the new system because they lose their permanent BCS bowl spot and has to fight with the other five non-power conferences for that last spot.

Thanks, I wonder if there is a way we can ever get two spots. Also, hopefully the selection process is set up in a certain way so we dont always get stuck with the "worst" opponent (or ACC).

The selection process has yet to be determined, but I have to think that for the sake of creating the best matchups (which they said they are wont to do) that the at-large matchups will try to pair up the best available teams (i.e. put #5 vs #6 in a bowl, #7 vs #8 in a bowl, when possible). The selection committee will assign all the bowl pairings, except the "contract bowls." But they did say that in the years the Rose/Sugar pair are hosting the semifinals, the Orange will NOT get either the SEC or B1G champ. The Orange also has some appearance limits/floors for the B1G, SEC, (minimum 3 appearances each) and ND (maximum 2 appearances) for the 12-year run. That could create some interesting issues down the road, when say the B1G hasn't put a team in the Orange Bowl for a while.
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RE: 2014/2015 "BCS" Bowl Games
(05-06-2013 08:50 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(05-06-2013 07:38 PM)IAH Wrote:  I am quite confused about what the "bcs"games will look like next season. All I know is that they are adding one more game (cotton). And my undestanding is that one team not from the top 5 confences will get a spot on it. Am I missing somehting?

Can someone please explain?

No, they will add two more BCS level bowls in 2014-2015. Besides Fiesta, Sugar, Rose and Orange, they will add two more bowls, Cotton and Peach (formerly known as Chick-A-Fil). And the whole system will renamed as "College Football Playoff". Two of six bowls will be served as Playoff Semifinals. So there are only eight spots open. Five spots are reserved for Power Five Conference champions. (Note Orange spot is shared by Notre Dame and ACC and if Power Five champion lands in Top 4, they will name their own replacement in their permanent spot.) The three remaining spots are selected by a committee similar to basketball selection committee. Two will be at-larges from Power Five and the last spot will be selected from AAC, Mountain West, MAC, WAC, Sun-Belt and Conference USA. The six non-power conferences is also called Gang of Six.

Basically there will be six BCS bowls. Eleven teams will be from Power Five and one team will be from Gang of Six. SEC will be the biggest winner. They could place seven teams in BCS bowls theroretically if they have top 4, then champion replacement and two at-larges. Big East (AAC) is the biggest loser under the new system because they lose their permanent BCS bowl spot and has to fight with the other five non-power conferences for that last spot.

The at larges do not have to be from the "P5". They are just that...at larges, selected by the committee. Now, chances are, they always will be "P5" teams, though, but there is no rule that state they have to be.
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(05-07-2013 09:09 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-07-2013 08:15 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  I broke down the permutations of the next three bowl cycles using the 2012 BCS standings here: http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=631...pid9293719

The real value to the P5 of their tie-ins with the Rose, Sugar, and Orange respectively is in the years when those bowls (a) do not host a semi-finals game, and (b) a P5 only has 1 team that is ranked high enough such that it would make the access or playoff bowls on the merits.

E.g., let's consider the PAC and the Rose Bowl. Let's say in a given year the Rose is hosting a semifinal, and one PAC team is ranked #3 and thus qualifies for the playoffs, but no other PAC team is ranked in the top 25. In that case, the playoff berth is the only guaranteed spot in the 6 playoff/access bowls the PAC has that year, and given that no other PAC team is ranked in the top 25, the selection committee surely will not put another PAC team in an access bowl.

But, if the Rose is NOT hosting the playoffs, and if one PAC team is ranked #3 and thus qualifies for the playoffs, then no matter how lousy the rest of the PAC is, even if no PAC other team is ranked in the top 25, the PAC will get a second team in the playoffs/access bowls, because when the Rose is not hosting a semifinal it ALWAYS will include a PAC team.

Thats is exactly what I thought. Can't wait for the complaining to start when the highest ranked gang of five champion is somewhere between 17 and 25. The Big Ten and Pac-12 have equally good/bad second place teams when the Rose isn't hosting. They should have split the Sugar and Rose bowl because there are going to years when a bunch of good teams get left out of the process due to contractual tie-ins.
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(05-07-2013 10:00 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(05-06-2013 08:50 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(05-06-2013 07:38 PM)IAH Wrote:  I am quite confused about what the "bcs"games will look like next season. All I know is that they are adding one more game (cotton). And my undestanding is that one team not from the top 5 confences will get a spot on it. Am I missing somehting?

Can someone please explain?

No, they will add two more BCS level bowls in 2014-2015. Besides Fiesta, Sugar, Rose and Orange, they will add two more bowls, Cotton and Peach (formerly known as Chick-A-Fil). And the whole system will renamed as "College Football Playoff". Two of six bowls will be served as Playoff Semifinals. So there are only eight spots open. Five spots are reserved for Power Five Conference champions. (Note Orange spot is shared by Notre Dame and ACC and if Power Five champion lands in Top 4, they will name their own replacement in their permanent spot.) The three remaining spots are selected by a committee similar to basketball selection committee. Two will be at-larges from Power Five and the last spot will be selected from AAC, Mountain West, MAC, WAC, Sun-Belt and Conference USA. The six non-power conferences is also called Gang of Six.

Basically there will be six BCS bowls. Eleven teams will be from Power Five and one team will be from Gang of Six. SEC will be the biggest winner. They could place seven teams in BCS bowls theroretically if they have top 4, then champion replacement and two at-larges. Big East (AAC) is the biggest loser under the new system because they lose their permanent BCS bowl spot and has to fight with the other five non-power conferences for that last spot.

The at larges do not have to be from the "P5". They are just that...at larges, selected by the committee. Now, chances are, they always will be "P5" teams, though, but there is no rule that state they have to be.

Non-P5 access to the "access bowls" (the major bowls not hosting playoffs in a given year), while always guaranteed to be at least one, will vary depending on the rotation. Best scenario is when the Rose and Sugar host semis, since in those years there will be 6 at-large spots in the access bowls that theoretically could be filled with multiple non-P5 should the playoffs be filled by B1G/SEC/PAC, and B12 teams (Fiesta, Peach, and Cotton bowls - only the Orange would be off limits).

Worst scenario is when the Sugar, Rose, AND Orange are not hosting playoffs (when the Chik and Fiesta are hosting semis), because in those years, the only at-large slots available for non-P5 will be the two Cotton slots, as the Orange, Rose, and Sugar will all be filled by their P5 tie-ins.

The middle scenario is when the Orange and Cotton host playoffs, because in that case there will be 4 possible spots for non-P5 schools - in the Chik and Cotton bowls.

Of course, in any year, the 4 playoff slots are theoretically open to all schools, including multiple non-P5. But that is not the case with the access bowls. Depending on the rotation, non-P5 can theoretically gain access to 2, 4, or 6 of those slots.
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Also, let's say the Rose is hosting a semifinal and the Big ten gets a team in the semifinals. They do not necessarily have to place another big 10 team in another access bowl. This opens up more at large slots than hokie mark indicated. There are scenarios for as little as 2 or as many as 6 at larges in a given year.
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