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RE: UMass to Sun Belt?
(04-30-2013 02:25 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  JMU can't do a damn thing until the Carr study is done. Just another example of our ass backward admin.....this should have been done years ago.

I feel for you guys. Unless you have a MAC bid in your back pocket, or even more unlikely, a CUSA bid, your administration is playing games.

If they don't have a MAC bid in hand, they're probably just using the 'study' as an excuse run out the clock and to show the fans in case realignment stops with JMU playing with Elon and Coastal Carolina while everyone else moved up. Perhaps its just JMU's way of saying "we really don't want to move up, but our fans are complaining"

The clock is ticking. JMU is ... filibustering. I hope it works out for you guys. I just don't see the MAC risking their hard won primiere position over the Belt and CUSA by taking another moveup (or perhaps two with UD).

I wouldn't, if I were the MAC.
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(04-30-2013 12:52 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 12:31 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  If the MAC goes to 14 with Delaware instead of JMU and CUSA isnt adding any more, than JMU will go football only to the SBC. That is definitely plausible.

What would be the benefit of the MAC going to 14? I would think if anything, they'd be looking to reduce down to 12.

Well the money difference was quite small ( I think somebody did the math and it was something like 70k which just isn't worth worrying about if you get something good) and the uneven scheduling of 13 bothers us on this board more than I think it does in reality for the MAC.
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(04-30-2013 06:27 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 12:52 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 12:31 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  If the MAC goes to 14 with Delaware instead of JMU and CUSA isnt adding any more, than JMU will go football only to the SBC. That is definitely plausible.

What would be the benefit of the MAC going to 14? I would think if anything, they'd be looking to reduce down to 12.

Well the money difference was quite small ( I think somebody did the math and it was something like 70k which just isn't worth worrying about if you get something good) and the uneven scheduling of 13 bothers us on this board more than I think it does in reality for the MAC.

That number does NOT include the loss in payout if the MAC loses a spot in the rankings of the G5. Payouts between those leagues are largely based upon rankings within the G5. Adding another move up (or 2 if they take UD as well) would harm their position (currently above the Belt and CUSA).
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The MAC should be looking northwest at North Dakota State or Northern Iowa. Or both. JMU would move to CUSA within 5 years of getting into the MAC, as would anybody else south of the Ohio border given a choice between the MAC and CUSA. The only other semi-realistic option for the MAC right now is Delaware football-only. No chance Delaware would move for all sports, they sponsor 21 sports and every MAC member is flight distance, and UDelaware is simply risk adverse in general. Nobody else northeast or northwest of the MAC is ready for even a football-only arrangement let alone an all sports commitment, and looking south is pointless except for short term fixes. If their next door neighbors Marshall and WKU would rather be in CUSA than the MAC, and ODU's administration is already pimping JMU to CUSA, what's left to discuss? Their options are UD FB-only, NDSU, UNI, wait for UMass to leave, or wait for a better candidate in the northeast or northwest to emerge. Maybe Stony Brook or Towson suddenly sees a surge of interest in football, or maybe Wisconsin-Milwaukee finally starts a football program. That's really the dream addition for the MAC: An easy travel team that adds a worthwhile, non-duplicate market and wouldn't automatically accept an offer from CUSA. No such thing exists right now.
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(04-30-2013 10:39 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  The MAC should be looking northwest at North Dakota State or Northern Iowa. Or both. JMU would move to CUSA within 5 years of getting into the MAC, as would anybody else south of the Ohio border given a choice between the MAC and CUSA. The only other semi-realistic option for the MAC right now is Delaware football-only. No chance Delaware would move for all sports, they sponsor 21 sports and every MAC member is flight distance, and UDelaware is simply risk adverse in general. Nobody else northeast or northwest of the MAC is ready for even a football-only arrangement let alone an all sports commitment, and looking south is pointless except for short term fixes. If their next door neighbors Marshall and WKU would rather be in CUSA than the MAC, and ODU's administration is already pimping JMU to CUSA, what's left to discuss? Their options are UD FB-only, NDSU, UNI, wait for UMass to leave, or wait for a better candidate in the northeast or northwest to emerge. Maybe Stony Brook or Towson suddenly sees a surge of interest in football, or maybe Wisconsin-Milwaukee finally starts a football program. That's really the dream addition for the MAC: An easy travel team that adds a worthwhile, non-duplicate market and wouldn't automatically accept an offer from CUSA. No such thing exists right now.

LastMinuteman, I get the feeling you think you have an inside scoop of what UMass admin is thinking and you dont see UMass joining the MAC all sports or simply its that you personally dont want that. In any case, I think you are going to be disappointed.

BTW, do you run UMass74 blogspot blog?
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(04-30-2013 10:39 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  The MAC should be looking northwest at North Dakota State or Northern Iowa. Or both. JMU would move to CUSA within 5 years of getting into the MAC, as would anybody else south of the Ohio border given a choice between the MAC and CUSA. The only other semi-realistic option for the MAC right now is Delaware football-only. No chance Delaware would move for all sports, they sponsor 21 sports and every MAC member is flight distance, and UDelaware is simply risk adverse in general. Nobody else northeast or northwest of the MAC is ready for even a football-only arrangement let alone an all sports commitment, and looking south is pointless except for short term fixes. If their next door neighbors Marshall and WKU would rather be in CUSA than the MAC, and ODU's administration is already pimping JMU to CUSA, what's left to discuss? Their options are UD FB-only, NDSU, UNI, wait for UMass to leave, or wait for a better candidate in the northeast or northwest to emerge. Maybe Stony Brook or Towson suddenly sees a surge of interest in football, or maybe Wisconsin-Milwaukee finally starts a football program. That's really the dream addition for the MAC: An easy travel team that adds a worthwhile, non-duplicate market and wouldn't automatically accept an offer from CUSA. No such thing exists right now.

UMass is really on an island. Its almost like Idaho. But at least you guys have the A-10 for basketball (and perhaps the C-7, but I think they're staying all private (and mostly all Catholic)).

If the MAC exercised the 2 year clause to move all sports or drop your football membership, would you guys go to the MAC for all sports or just move to the Belt?
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(04-30-2013 04:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
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(04-30-2013 12:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 12:31 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  If the MAC goes to 14 with Delaware instead of JMU and CUSA isnt adding any more, than JMU will go football only to the SBC. That is definitely plausible.

Why would you go to 14? Divides up the money and saddles you with another moveup. I'd make UMASS sign a grant of rights before I tried to add a team to help them. Although Harrisonburg is a LOONG way from Amherst. I'm not sure how JMU "helps" balance UMass.

JMU wants to play in CUSA. If you take them, get ready for another Marshall situation. Or UCF situation.

I think you guys got stuck with UMass because you tried to help out who really wanted to play elsewhere (Temple). Temple left anyway. UMass will too, if they get good enough to warrent an AAC bid.

UMass is a no win situation for the MAC. If they don't suck, they'll leave. And if they show a pulse and some attendence, they'll get a bid to go somewhere else. And if you take a moveup to 'help' them out, you might get stuck with a team you probably didn't want anyway.

The Belt took Denver to balance out NMSU. It was a mistake (NMSU then left). CUSA took ODU and UNCC to balance out ECU. ECU then left (it remains to be seen if those were good ads, but I think CUSA would rather have ASU and ULL at this point). You guys took UMass to balance out Temple.

UD is about as likely to move up at this point as Sam Houston. Maybe in 4 or 5 years, but right now.....nah.

No doubt in my mind that JMU would first choice rather be in the CUSA or both SBC and MAC.

Why would we want to go to 14? Well the cow is already out of the barn with UMass at 13, our contract states we can not force UMass out of the MAC, only exercise a clause to put them on a 2-year term in which we are forced to also offer them all-sports membership at the same time. At that point UMass would have 2-years to decide to leave or join all-in. All the MAC can do is start the clock and say leave or join all in but ultimately per contract the MAC can't force them to leave, only force them to become all out or all in. Nobody knows if that clock has already started sometime after Temple left. Therefore if we are stuck with 13, we will want 14 to balance the divisions.

"IF" the MAC is going to 14 (see above), THEN, their have been rumors for sometime and statements from Kent State's President that at least one Virginia school is tops on our list (this was before ODU joined CUSA). Delaware newspaper has said they have at least studied joining the MAC but they keep their thoughts close to their vest. JMU and Delaware are thought to be #14 with UMass getting to pick "IF" they were to come in all-sports.

My speculation is neither of them really want to join FBS but understand that FCS and CAA has now changed with VCU, Mason, App St. GSU, all making their moves. It makes sense that JMU is stalling the SBC in any scenario as they have a couple options and are weighing them. Maybe SBC is their best choice after they weigh them. Not sure. My assumptions were that JMU associated more to the north than south and ODU associated more to the south than north. But thats another discussion.

I think the MAC, SBC, Delaware, JMU, and any other SBC expansion candidates are all waiting on UMass to make a decision.

The JFowler CBS sports rumor of the MAC looking into a GoR also suggests that UMass is in play because as you mentioned the MAC would not bring in UMass unless it was for a length of time. Somebody like Delaware would also feel more comfortable with a GoR to ensure them that UMass wouldn't abandon them like Temple did to UMass. There is also speculation of the GoR to expand our MAC Digital Network platform.

Who knows, we should hear more come out in the next month or so I think.

I don't see being at 13 teams as requiring urgent moves on the part of the MAC. Especially if UMass would likely drop back to FCS (there is a rather large and vocal movement to just that) if handed the 'move your basketball to the MAC or its the SBC or CUSA for you.
Before JMU provides any benefit to your conference, they will split for CUSA. If they blow, they'll stay. JMU wants to play with Marshall and ODU. Both of them are in CUSA.

The Belt needs a 12th team. We're willing to cross that bridge when we get there at this time regarding the ulterior motives of our candidates. You don't need a 14th team. Scheduling is a bit of a mess, but its not so much of a mess that you'd take either another Buffalo/UMass (bad team you probably could have done without) or another Marshall/UCF (see ya! - thanks for the parking spot). JMU is likely one or the other.

But even if you did take JMU, would you be taking them 'football only'? If for all sports, wouldn't that leave your non-football sports in the same boat as football with the mismatched divisions. Besides, where would JMU park their olys if they went football only? CAA wouldn't keep them (they're a real petty bunch) if they left for football. JMU won't move football to the Belt but is willing to park Olys in the Big South (which is JMU's likely destination as a football only)?

JMU could leave the CAA for football only and keep thier oly sports there. They're actually 2 separate entities. The other football playing schools might not like it but they'd have no recourse regarding oly sports membership.
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(05-01-2013 07:18 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 04:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
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(04-30-2013 12:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 12:31 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  If the MAC goes to 14 with Delaware instead of JMU and CUSA isnt adding any more, than JMU will go football only to the SBC. That is definitely plausible.

Why would you go to 14? Divides up the money and saddles you with another moveup. I'd make UMASS sign a grant of rights before I tried to add a team to help them. Although Harrisonburg is a LOONG way from Amherst. I'm not sure how JMU "helps" balance UMass.

JMU wants to play in CUSA. If you take them, get ready for another Marshall situation. Or UCF situation.

I think you guys got stuck with UMass because you tried to help out who really wanted to play elsewhere (Temple). Temple left anyway. UMass will too, if they get good enough to warrent an AAC bid.

UMass is a no win situation for the MAC. If they don't suck, they'll leave. And if they show a pulse and some attendence, they'll get a bid to go somewhere else. And if you take a moveup to 'help' them out, you might get stuck with a team you probably didn't want anyway.

The Belt took Denver to balance out NMSU. It was a mistake (NMSU then left). CUSA took ODU and UNCC to balance out ECU. ECU then left (it remains to be seen if those were good ads, but I think CUSA would rather have ASU and ULL at this point). You guys took UMass to balance out Temple.

UD is about as likely to move up at this point as Sam Houston. Maybe in 4 or 5 years, but right now.....nah.

No doubt in my mind that JMU would first choice rather be in the CUSA or both SBC and MAC.

Why would we want to go to 14? Well the cow is already out of the barn with UMass at 13, our contract states we can not force UMass out of the MAC, only exercise a clause to put them on a 2-year term in which we are forced to also offer them all-sports membership at the same time. At that point UMass would have 2-years to decide to leave or join all-in. All the MAC can do is start the clock and say leave or join all in but ultimately per contract the MAC can't force them to leave, only force them to become all out or all in. Nobody knows if that clock has already started sometime after Temple left. Therefore if we are stuck with 13, we will want 14 to balance the divisions.

"IF" the MAC is going to 14 (see above), THEN, their have been rumors for sometime and statements from Kent State's President that at least one Virginia school is tops on our list (this was before ODU joined CUSA). Delaware newspaper has said they have at least studied joining the MAC but they keep their thoughts close to their vest. JMU and Delaware are thought to be #14 with UMass getting to pick "IF" they were to come in all-sports.

My speculation is neither of them really want to join FBS but understand that FCS and CAA has now changed with VCU, Mason, App St. GSU, all making their moves. It makes sense that JMU is stalling the SBC in any scenario as they have a couple options and are weighing them. Maybe SBC is their best choice after they weigh them. Not sure. My assumptions were that JMU associated more to the north than south and ODU associated more to the south than north. But thats another discussion.

I think the MAC, SBC, Delaware, JMU, and any other SBC expansion candidates are all waiting on UMass to make a decision.

The JFowler CBS sports rumor of the MAC looking into a GoR also suggests that UMass is in play because as you mentioned the MAC would not bring in UMass unless it was for a length of time. Somebody like Delaware would also feel more comfortable with a GoR to ensure them that UMass wouldn't abandon them like Temple did to UMass. There is also speculation of the GoR to expand our MAC Digital Network platform.

Who knows, we should hear more come out in the next month or so I think.

I don't see being at 13 teams as requiring urgent moves on the part of the MAC. Especially if UMass would likely drop back to FCS (there is a rather large and vocal movement to just that) if handed the 'move your basketball to the MAC or its the SBC or CUSA for you.
Before JMU provides any benefit to your conference, they will split for CUSA. If they blow, they'll stay. JMU wants to play with Marshall and ODU. Both of them are in CUSA.

The Belt needs a 12th team. We're willing to cross that bridge when we get there at this time regarding the ulterior motives of our candidates. You don't need a 14th team. Scheduling is a bit of a mess, but its not so much of a mess that you'd take either another Buffalo/UMass (bad team you probably could have done without) or another Marshall/UCF (see ya! - thanks for the parking spot). JMU is likely one or the other.

But even if you did take JMU, would you be taking them 'football only'? If for all sports, wouldn't that leave your non-football sports in the same boat as football with the mismatched divisions. Besides, where would JMU park their olys if they went football only? CAA wouldn't keep them (they're a real petty bunch) if they left for football. JMU won't move football to the Belt but is willing to park Olys in the Big South (which is JMU's likely destination as a football only)?

JMU could leave the CAA for football only and keep thier oly sports there. They're actually 2 separate entities. The other football playing schools might not like it but they'd have no recourse regarding oly sports membership.

I'd be all for that for now! I'd rather play with an inballance in other sports and not in football than be out of ballance all together. And like someone suggested, bring in NMSU's other sports if we want to get it ballanced if we have to. Of all available football choices, I think JMU is the best option. Maybe they could move that and do a study on everything else. Or fast track a study! We know it would mrean 44 new scholarships or dropping some other men's sport for title 9. Outside of that, the football travel will probably pay for itself. They already have the stadium. PLEASE let this happen. We cant lose with JMU. New State, market good football.
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Time to bump this thread.

SBC needs a championship game by 2014. Looks like JMU and Mo St will not commit. I say I'd they will not accept, it is time to go after Umass for football. This gives us a much needed 12th for the championship game.
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(07-14-2013 03:19 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Time to bump this thread.

SBC needs a championship game by 2014. Looks like JMU and Mo St will not commit. I say I'd they will not accept, it is time to go after Umass for football. This gives us a much needed 12th for the championship game.

Why?
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