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Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
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Quote:In what could be the first step towards the collapse of the Big East football/basketball structure, officials of the 7 non-football playing Big East basketball schools held a meeting in New York on Monday to discuss breaking off on their own. According to sources familiar with the talks, the conference included not only athletic directors, but Presidents as well. A time frame of six months was set up to make a decision whether to break off on their own or continue to stay within the frame work of a conference whose configuration has changed steadily over the last several months. That time frame may be predicated on the nature of a new television football/basketball contract the Big East is currently trying to put together.
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12-10-2012 11:05 PM |
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
If the TV deal is not enough to satisfy everyone than my guess is Boise & SDSU head back to the MWC...now the Eastern Schools should just form their own league or if they can somehow come under the umbrella of maybe the WAC?
I don't know, but this can get messy for ECU, Memphis, Temple, Tulane etc, etc.
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
Perhaps some of the new faces aren't getting the hint to go back to their old homes. If these schools are willing to possibly give up the Big East credits then that very well may mean they dont want to bother with out waiting the other schools. They would most likely get an NCAA exemption so that they have an autobid the very first year of their new conference.
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
(12-10-2012 11:09 PM)Maize Wrote: If the TV deal is not enough to satisfy everyone than my guess is Boise & SDSU head back to the MWC...now the Eastern Schools should just form their own league or if they can somehow come under the umbrella of maybe the WAC?
I don't know, but this can get messy for ECU, Memphis, Temple, Tulane etc, etc.
No WAC. Just a totally new conference for BB. They could make that happen and others would join a setup like that...
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12-10-2012 11:13 PM |
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
If I'm the remaining BE-only schools, I approach Xavier, Butler, Dayton.
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
I have to think this is a bluff to get a bigger share of the TV deal. The non-FB schools hold a 7-3 majority (7-4 if Temple has full voting rights) until July 1. That might be enough to dissolve the conference, but not enough to expel members. Dissolving the conference is a losing proposition for them. They would lose millions in NCAA tournament credits and exit fees, and would not be able to get anywhere near the TV deal without football that they could with football.
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12-10-2012 11:23 PM |
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
Well, now:
Quote:Pete Thamel @SIPeteThamel
Big East BB schools meeting in NYC today wasn't secret. Commissioner Mike Aresco was there to answer questions, discuss future.
Maybe this isn't as clandestine as we were lead to believe.
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
Pete Thamel @SIPeteThamel
Big East BB schools meeting in NYC today wasn't secret. Commissioner Mike Aresco was there to answer questions, discuss future.
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
(12-10-2012 11:23 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: I have to think this is a bluff to get a bigger share of the TV deal. The non-FB schools hold a 7-3 majority (7-4 if Temple has full voting rights) until July 1. That might be enough to dissolve the conference, but not enough to expel members. Dissolving the conference is a losing proposition for them. They would lose millions in NCAA tournament credits and exit fees, and would not be able to get anywhere near the TV deal without football that they could with football.
It's a move to get a fair share of the TV deal, not necessarily a bluff.
The message is, We're outta here if the league underpays the no-football schools in order to overpay the football schools.
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12-10-2012 11:29 PM |
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
If the b/b schools decide to leave that could be a blessing in disguise for the nBE schools. At least they can continue as a conference where all the members have the same goals and interest. Something the old Big East never had. The nBE will still better then C-USA, Mtn West, Sun Belt, & MAC.
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
(12-10-2012 11:25 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: Well, now:
Quote:Pete Thamel @SIPeteThamel
Big East BB schools meeting in NYC today wasn't secret. Commissioner Mike Aresco was there to answer questions, discuss future.
Maybe this isn't as clandestine as we were lead to believe.
Maybe he wants the commissioner job.
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12-10-2012 11:34 PM |
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
UC, UConn, Temple and USF stay in BE for olympic sports.
Start a nation wide FB only conference from scratch. UC, Boise, UConn
and USF anchor the league. Add usual suspects UCF, ECU, AF, Navy etc.
A true best of the rest league.
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12-10-2012 11:40 PM |
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
It also appears that the Catholic schools want to play more hoops games vs. each other even if they stay in the BE:
Quote:The Big East tried to avoid the breakaway by telling the Catholic schools it wanted to set up “mirror” games against its other Catholic rivals, meaning a home and home series among the 7 Catholic Schools. Whether that will be enough to keep the conference together is uncertain.
A split would be good news for ECU because they would, presumably, be a full member of a new league that included the football schools, that would be: UConn, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Memphis, Tulane, SMU, Houston, and maybe Navy/Boise/SDSU as FB-onlies.
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
(12-10-2012 11:40 PM)bearcat29 Wrote: UC, UConn, Temple and USF stay in BE for olympic sports.
Start a nation wide FB only conference from scratch. UC, Boise, UConn
and USF anchor the league. Add usual suspects UCF, ECU, AF, Navy etc.
A true best of the rest league.
Forget the failed nationwide model. Start over with UC, USF, UCF, ECU, UConn, Tulane, Memphis, Houston, SMU and Temple in an all sports conference, whether it's called the Big East or not. Add Tulsa and USM for a 12-team base. No exit fees because they all understand that they would all move up to a Big 4/5 conference if asked. Remove the hammer and tension that comes with realignment and if someone gets invited to the BIG XII or ACC and wants to go, wish them well and backfill with Marshall, Rice or whoever. No more pretense that the conference is anything more than a CUSA redux.
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
I don't know when the nationwide conference "failed."
You need as many names and good teams to make this conference get a reasonable tv deal. If you don't why bother? Make the best conference you can. Sorry, Tulane doesn't cut it.
Most likely the BB teams will leave (if they do) if/when UC & UConn leave. Every team (other than Rutgers) has been a very good BB team that has left. Lose anymore, what is the point for them anymore?
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
It's only a matter of weeks before ACC poaches UCONN, Cincy, Temple/USF from Big East
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
If I were them I'd split too. Let's see would I rather play SMU, Houston and UCF or Xaiver, Dayton, Butler or VCU? God I can only hope UC gets out of this mess.
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
(12-11-2012 12:11 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote: If I were them I'd split too. Let's see would I rather play SMU, Houston and UCF or Xaiver, Dayton, Butler or VCU? God I can only hope UC gets out of this mess.
That's why Aresco is meeting with the CYO. To make a "Brand Name" division" and the "Southern Cluster" screw division.
The newbies will get a token game or two every season under the Big East name, but not really be Big East basketball. Separate but equal. Hybrid conferences lacks cohesiveness.
And if the CYO pushes UC into the Southern Cluster it's b/c they know Cincy is leaving.
(This post was last modified: 12-11-2012 12:16 AM by Blackhawk-eye.)
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
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RE: Blaudschun: BE non-FB schools have an airport meeting
(12-10-2012 11:23 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: I have to think this is a bluff to get a bigger share of the TV deal. The non-FB schools hold a 7-3 majority (7-4 if Temple has full voting rights) until July 1. That might be enough to dissolve the conference, but not enough to expel members. Dissolving the conference is a losing proposition for them. They would lose millions in NCAA tournament credits and exit fees, and would not be able to get anywhere near the TV deal without football that they could with football.
I dont think so. I think it is what it seems. The Big East was originally a basketball league. Football was added later strictly as a courtesy to some of the football playing members. Now all the members the football side was created for have left or are likely set to bail soon. The basketball schools never had any interest in some nationwide football league---especially a mid-tier league. Thats not what they are about. They dont want to be stuck in a conference with teams they have no real reationship or history with. There seems to be some disagreement among the basketball schools over weather to proceed with the current plan, or to ditch this "New Big East" and return to thier roots as a smaller northeastern basketball-centric conference that makes geographic sense. The basketball schools hold a large majority. Once the basketball schools reach a consensus--the future of the Big East will reflect thier wishes.
(This post was last modified: 12-11-2012 12:34 AM by Attackcoog.)
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