(07-10-2012 02:43 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 01:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 01:33 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 01:30 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  So let me get this straight:

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The Big 12 loses...

1.) Economic behemoths Nebraska and Texas A&M - two of the largest revenue generators in the NCAA and each of which consistently sells out their 80K+ seat stadia.

2.) State flagship schools with large markets, Colorado and Missouri

3.) All told that is FIVE combined national championships.

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The B12 subsequently replaces those schools with...

1.) West Virginia, a state school with absolutely no markets in arguably America's poorest state and which does not regularly sell out its stadium.

2.) Texas Christian, a small private school with a small following to match that also happens to be located in a duplicate market and which has sold out its tiny stadium like a handful of times in the past decade.

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...and yet we are to believe that the Big 12 is now somehow better off than it was before the realignment began?

Ooooo-kie-dokie.

Great points....hard to argue with that

In terms of what they have gotten in the new system, yes. Last season, they had a 10-2 2nd place team left out. Now, not only would they have been guaranteed in, but Baylor or Oklahoma would have had a much better shot of getting in. It's not questionable they are in better shape system wise now than going in. They would have been in the playoffs of the last 6 years 4/6 times. 1 of the 2 times they wouldn't, TCU would have gotten in. With the Champions Bowl not hosting SF much, they would be guaranteed a 2nd team into the BCS.

And when NO B12 team is in the top 4, how will they stand? Oh right, they get to play in the Consolation Bowl vs the #3 SEC team.

Well, considering that they would have been in the playoffs 5/6 years- with 1 year having 2 teams in the playoff(2008 with Oklahoma and Texas)- that's not going to happen that often.

(07-10-2012 02:43 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 01:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 01:33 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 01:30 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  So let me get this straight:

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The Big 12 loses...

1.) Economic behemoths Nebraska and Texas A&M - two of the largest revenue generators in the NCAA and each of which consistently sells out their 80K+ seat stadia.

2.) State flagship schools with large markets, Colorado and Missouri

3.) All told that is FIVE combined national championships.

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The B12 subsequently replaces those schools with...

1.) West Virginia, a state school with absolutely no markets in arguably America's poorest state and which does not regularly sell out its stadium.

2.) Texas Christian, a small private school with a small following to match that also happens to be located in a duplicate market and which has sold out its tiny stadium like a handful of times in the past decade.

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...and yet we are to believe that the Big 12 is now somehow better off than it was before the realignment began?

Ooooo-kie-dokie.

Great points....hard to argue with that

In terms of what they have gotten in the new system, yes. Last season, they had a 10-2 2nd place team left out. Now, not only would they have been guaranteed in, but Baylor or Oklahoma would have had a much better shot of getting in. It's not questionable they are in better shape system wise now than going in. They would have been in the playoffs of the last 6 years 4/6 times. 1 of the 2 times they wouldn't, TCU would have gotten in. With the Champions Bowl not hosting SF much, they would be guaranteed a 2nd team into the BCS.

And when NO B12 team is in the top 4, how will they stand? Oh right, they get to play in the Consolation Bowl vs the #3 SEC team.

Who is the ACC champ going to play in the Orange Bowl when they do not make the play-offs and when ND is unavailable? This should be a concern to Pitt for obvious reasons, but for the rest of the conference....

Some people rely too much on the past. FSU is highly probably this year to be top 4.

(07-10-2012 02:39 PM)ConanX Wrote:  Same logic can be applied to the nBE getting more money than the old BE.

Part of that is quite frankly timing. TV rights fees for sports growing exponentially the last few years since it's the one thing that generally isn't tivoable.

(07-10-2012 02:48 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:43 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 01:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 01:33 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 01:30 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  So let me get this straight:

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The Big 12 loses...

1.) Economic behemoths Nebraska and Texas A&M - two of the largest revenue generators in the NCAA and each of which consistently sells out their 80K+ seat stadia.

2.) State flagship schools with large markets, Colorado and Missouri

3.) All told that is FIVE combined national championships.

-------------------------------

The B12 subsequently replaces those schools with...

1.) West Virginia, a state school with absolutely no markets in arguably America's poorest state and which does not regularly sell out its stadium.

2.) Texas Christian, a small private school with a small following to match that also happens to be located in a duplicate market and which has sold out its tiny stadium like a handful of times in the past decade.

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...and yet we are to believe that the Big 12 is now somehow better off than it was before the realignment began?

Ooooo-kie-dokie.

Great points....hard to argue with that

In terms of what they have gotten in the new system, yes. Last season, they had a 10-2 2nd place team left out. Now, not only would they have been guaranteed in, but Baylor or Oklahoma would have had a much better shot of getting in. It's not questionable they are in better shape system wise now than going in. They would have been in the playoffs of the last 6 years 4/6 times. 1 of the 2 times they wouldn't, TCU would have gotten in. With the Champions Bowl not hosting SF much, they would be guaranteed a 2nd team into the BCS.

And when NO B12 team is in the top 4, how will they stand? Oh right, they get to play in the Consolation Bowl vs the #3 SEC team.

Who is the ACC champ going to play in the Orange Bowl when they do not make the play-offs and when ND is unavailable? This should be a concern to Pitt for obvious reasons, but for the rest of the conference....

#2 ACC team will probably then play a #2 B12 team, Texas or Oklahoma.

(07-10-2012 02:49 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Some people rely too much on the past. FSU is highly probably this year to be top 4.

With the schedule they have, if they lose 1 game, they'll struggle to be in the top 6.

(07-10-2012 02:50 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:48 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:43 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 01:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 01:33 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Great points....hard to argue with that

In terms of what they have gotten in the new system, yes. Last season, they had a 10-2 2nd place team left out. Now, not only would they have been guaranteed in, but Baylor or Oklahoma would have had a much better shot of getting in. It's not questionable they are in better shape system wise now than going in. They would have been in the playoffs of the last 6 years 4/6 times. 1 of the 2 times they wouldn't, TCU would have gotten in. With the Champions Bowl not hosting SF much, they would be guaranteed a 2nd team into the BCS.

And when NO B12 team is in the top 4, how will they stand? Oh right, they get to play in the Consolation Bowl vs the #3 SEC team.

Who is the ACC champ going to play in the Orange Bowl when they do not make the play-offs and when ND is unavailable? This should be a concern to Pitt for obvious reasons, but for the rest of the conference....

#2 ACC team will probably then play a #2 B12 team, Texas or Oklahoma.

Try again.....if the B12 champ is in the play-offs, the #2 team will be in the Championship Bowl. Orange Bowl would get a #3 team at best or the Big East Champ.

(07-10-2012 01:33 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Great points....hard to argue with that

Not hard to argue with, impossible to argue with.

And yet you can bet your bottom dollar that they'll try. Oh, mercy they'll try. I've seen some mental gymnastics on this site that would make Mary Lou Retton blush.

The problem for all of these guys is that eventually reality sets in and when it does they get CRANKY!

(07-10-2012 02:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:49 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Some people rely too much on the past. FSU is highly probably this year to be top 4.

With the schedule they have, if they lose 1 game, they'll struggle to be in the top 6.

So a tough schedule helps the SEC team but not FSU?

(07-10-2012 02:50 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:48 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:43 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 01:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Great points....hard to argue with that

In terms of what they have gotten in the new system, yes. Last season, they had a 10-2 2nd place team left out. Now, not only would they have been guaranteed in, but Baylor or Oklahoma would have had a much better shot of getting in. It's not questionable they are in better shape system wise now than going in. They would have been in the playoffs of the last 6 years 4/6 times. 1 of the 2 times they wouldn't, TCU would have gotten in. With the Champions Bowl not hosting SF much, they would be guaranteed a 2nd team into the BCS.

And when NO B12 team is in the top 4, how will they stand? Oh right, they get to play in the Consolation Bowl vs the #3 SEC team.

Who is the ACC champ going to play in the Orange Bowl when they do not make the play-offs and when ND is unavailable? This should be a concern to Pitt for obvious reasons, but for the rest of the conference....

#2 ACC team will probably then play a #2 B12 team, Texas or Oklahoma.
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Or not. I'd much rather having been like Big 12- with 5/6 years in the playoffs than the ACC with 1/6 years in the playoff(and that is extremely questionable if it was a playoff that year).