Interesting stuff

Like I said over on the Big East forum...The Big East leadership will sit back and wait for the BIG BOYS to get all of their bowl tie ins....We will get the Pizza Bowl if we are lucky.

(07-06-2012 01:44 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  Like I said over on the Big East forum...The Big East leadership will sit back and wait for the BIG BOYS to get all of their bowl tie ins....We will get the Pizza Bowl if we are lucky.

I don't think it's that you're just sitting back doing nothing, it's just there's nothing you can do. You can't make the big bowls contract with you, and honestly the spread out nature of the Big East isn't exactly a good thing when trying to lock your champ into one bowl. Those bowls want schools who are guaranteed to sell tickets, and that's a problem for the Big East. SDSU could probably draw well to the Fiesta Bowl, but probably wouldn't to the Orange Bowl. USF would draw well to the Orange, but probably not the Fiesta. I know I'm pointing out the extreme examples, but that's part of the problem with spreading yourself so thin, and having so few schools known for having traveling fan bases.

(07-06-2012 01:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 01:44 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  Like I said over on the Big East forum...The Big East leadership will sit back and wait for the BIG BOYS to get all of their bowl tie ins....We will get the Pizza Bowl if we are lucky.

I don't think it's that you're just sitting back doing nothing, it's just there's nothing you can do. You can't make the big bowls contract with you, and honestly the spread out nature of the Big East isn't exactly a good thing when trying to lock your champ into one bowl. Those bowls want schools who are guaranteed to sell tickets, and that's a problem for the Big East. SDSU could probably draw well to the Fiesta Bowl, but probably wouldn't to the Orange Bowl. USF would draw well to the Orange, but probably not the Fiesta. I know I'm pointing out the extreme examples, but that's part of the problem with spreading yourself so thin, and having so few schools known for having traveling fan bases.

Are you suggesting that if the Big East had done an expansion that respected geography rather than chasing BCS points and TV markets that they might have had a shot at working a deal to stay in the big boy club by aligning with the Orange or the soon to be vacant Sugar?

(07-06-2012 01:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 01:44 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  Like I said over on the Big East forum...The Big East leadership will sit back and wait for the BIG BOYS to get all of their bowl tie ins....We will get the Pizza Bowl if we are lucky.

I don't think it's that you're just sitting back doing nothing, it's just there's nothing you can do. You can't make the big bowls contract with you, and honestly the spread out nature of the Big East isn't exactly a good thing when trying to lock your champ into one bowl. Those bowls want schools who are guaranteed to sell tickets, and that's a problem for the Big East. SDSU could probably draw well to the Fiesta Bowl, but probably wouldn't to the Orange Bowl. USF would draw well to the Orange, but probably not the Fiesta. I know I'm pointing out the extreme examples, but that's part of the problem with spreading yourself so thin, and having so few schools known for having traveling fan bases.

And once again this falls back on our leadership for thinking we needed a conference spread across the USA. Because of 3-4 schools we went out to get, it hurts the majority....But I do see your points.

(07-06-2012 01:54 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 01:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 01:44 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  Like I said over on the Big East forum...The Big East leadership will sit back and wait for the BIG BOYS to get all of their bowl tie ins....We will get the Pizza Bowl if we are lucky.

I don't think it's that you're just sitting back doing nothing, it's just there's nothing you can do. You can't make the big bowls contract with you, and honestly the spread out nature of the Big East isn't exactly a good thing when trying to lock your champ into one bowl. Those bowls want schools who are guaranteed to sell tickets, and that's a problem for the Big East. SDSU could probably draw well to the Fiesta Bowl, but probably wouldn't to the Orange Bowl. USF would draw well to the Orange, but probably not the Fiesta. I know I'm pointing out the extreme examples, but that's part of the problem with spreading yourself so thin, and having so few schools known for having traveling fan bases.

Are you suggesting that if the Big East had done an expansion that respected geography rather than chasing BCS points and TV markets that they might have had a shot at working a deal to stay in the big boy club by aligning with the Orange or the soon to be vacant Sugar?

Probably not, but I do believe they expanded based on what they system was and then the system changed. There problem always was going to be there are not enough teams with large fan bases who travel that aren't already in power conferences.

b0ndsj0ns, someone might even construe your statement to imply that if Boise had remained in the MWC that the league might have gone to the Fiesta and pointed out that they will be vacant on both sides and Boise State had an established history of selling all of its 17,500 ticket allotment, and might even further mention that while the administration at Hawaii did not think they could sell their 17,500 allotment to the Sugar and gave 4,000 of those tickets to Georgia and then quickly discovered the demand from fans was greater than the 13,500 they had (sold out in 2 days), and the school obtained another 1,500 that quickly sold out.

So it might have been that if Boise had stayed, they could have presented to the Fiesta that they had on three occasions demonstrated no difficulty in being able to sell 17,500 tickets and might have gotten a tie.

I have faith in this guy. He is a sly old dog. Just like at the last moment he was able to lend his support to help get the Boise State exit fees; uh, Boise State football team in the league, he is also going to surprise eveyone and pull a big bowl out of the hat.

(07-06-2012 02:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  b0ndsj0ns, someone might even construe your statement to imply that if Boise had remained in the MWC that the league might have gone to the Fiesta and pointed out that they will be vacant on both sides and Boise State had an established history of selling all of its 17,500 ticket allotment, and might even further mention that while the administration at Hawaii did not think they could sell their 17,500 allotment to the Sugar and gave 4,000 of those tickets to Georgia and then quickly discovered the demand from fans was greater than the 13,500 they had (sold out in 2 days), and the school obtained another 1,500 that quickly sold out.

So it might have been that if Boise had stayed, they could have presented to the Fiesta that they had on three occasions demonstrated no difficulty in being able to sell 17,500 tickets and might have gotten a tie.

I don't think I'm willing to go as far as you are. Now if the MWC had the lineup with Utah, BYU, TCU, and then added Hawaii, Fresno, and Boise to that group that probably would have been strong enough to get a contract spot in the fiesta. However that was never meant to be.

From the spin cycle....