TopCoog Wrote:I don't want the Big East to be treated any particular way. You on the other hand think the league is going to pick up where it left off and that is not realistic. It is in reality , with the losses it has taken, much closer to CUSA and the MWC than it is to the other BCS leagues. That is not a diss by any means but it is realistic.

It may be closer to the MWC or C-USA as of NOW, but we'll see when recruiting picks up. Logic says South Florida, Louisville and Cincinnati will get better recruits in a higher profile, BCS conference.

1. They have already announced that the 5th BCS bowl will be hosted by the Big East

Where is it stated that the Big East will host a non-BCS team? I haven't seen it anywhere. I saw where they speculated that the Big East champion might play a non-BCS school if the Gator Bowl is given BCS status, but it's highly likely they'll get BCS status. That will probably go to the the Cotton Bowl or potentially the Citrus Bowl.

2. They are also leaning towards excluding the new BCS bowl from the championship rotation.

Yes they are. And did you read the reports? The Top 4 Bowls would go to the Big Six conferences. That's why the New BCS bowl would be left out of the championship rotation. It said in a recent report that the Big Six conferences, Big 12, Big Ten, Big East, ACC, Pac-10 and SEC would go to either the Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Rose Bowl or Sugar Bowl.

3. They are not going to put the non BCS league team in the Orange Bowl vs Miami or Fla State, that won't happen.

I think you're missing my point on the rotating bowl thing. What I means with the rotating bowl thing is that the Big Six conferences will rotate in the Top 4 bowls. Which means the Big East can't be tied to the 5th bowl exclusively.

So where will they put them? Hello......they will play the Big East champ in the 5th bowl. There is no other realistic outcome.
The Cotton Bowl won't touch that game.

Wrong. I don't know if this is sour grapes, as L-yes stated, or you're ill-informed. The bottomline is the the Big East will be in one of the Top 4 Bowls. The reason the Big East champion was considered to be playing a non-BCS school in the Gator Bowl (if it got the BCS bid) because originially the 5th bowl was considered to be part of the bowl rotation. Now, the 5th bowl is likely not going to be part of the bowl rotation so the info you got about the Big East champion in the 5th BCS bowl is outdated.

Here is the problem....they have to put the non BCS team somewhere in one of those five bowls. They are going to have NO CHOICE but to match that team up with the Big East champ. It is even logical when you think about it.

First of all L-yes just said the bowl is likely going to be part of the championship rotation which goes to show you you have read articles EVERYDAY TopCoog. Some of the things you are talking about were written 2 months ago. As for the BCS not having any choice but matching a non-BCS team with a Big East champ that's stupid. There are going to be two new at-large bids available, they could just as easily throw a Big Six "at-large" team in the BCS bowl against a non-BCS team. Or it could be a battle of non-BCS teams in that bowl. Saying that there is no choice but to matchup the Big East against a non-BCS team just sounds more like wishful and hopeful thinking on your part then good, solid facts.

No Cats...its not stupid. Those at large teams are often teams like a 10-2 Texas. They won't play the Big East champ. That matchup simply will not happen. All of those top ten teams will be matched up aganist each other, just as they are now, in the four traditional bowls. The Big East will get the non BCS team, no other realistic way to do it. You can hoot all you want but you know that is going to happen. Supporting your league is one thing...you shgould, being totally unrealistic is another.

No Cats...its not stupid. Those at large teams are often teams like a 10-2 Texas. They won't play the Big East champ. That matchup simply will not happen.

Wrong. That comment is so ridiculous. First of all Texas can't dictate who they play. Second, the Big East is a BCS conference so, yes, they will play the Big East. Just because you view the Big East as mid-major doesn't mean Texas will view it as mid-major, because it's not mid-major.

All of those top ten teams will be matched up aganist each other, just as they are now, in the four traditional bowls. The Big East will get the non BCS team, no other realistic way to do it.

And what makes you think the Big East team won't be a Top 10 or 15 team? The Top 6 conferences are locked into the Top 4 bowls.

You can hoot all you want but you know that is going to happen. Supporting your league is one thing...you shgould, being totally unrealistic is another.

You can whine about the Big East, and complain and try to say it's mid-major, etc., the bottomline is that it is a Top 6 conference, it has an automatic BCS bid, so just get over it already. Unless you're god you DON'T know it's going to happen. Period. Just because you are on your hands and knees praying it'll happen isn't going to make it so. Sorry. Now, if the Citrus Bowl gets it then I could see the Big East getting tied into it. The problem is the 5th bowl isn't automatically going to host a non-BCS school. The 5th bowl is just created to add 2 new at-large bids.

Its not going to be as it is now. It lost all of its football power....hello cat, are you awake. None of the teams finished in the top 25 last year. If you go back four of five season the average is way way way below top 12 amoung new big east teams. this league has an opportunity but it has been severly crippled. If you think they are going to treat you like the big 12 you are sadly mistaken. You know better. Big East vs non BCS team in 5th bowl. That is about the best you can expect.

The BCS bid isn't and automatic bid "IF" the BigEast champion isn't ranked in the top 12 BCS poll the bid could end up going to a MWC/CUSA/MAC team that finishes in the top 12 of the BCS. This was added into the BCS after the Q's made it into a BCS bowl in the 90's by winning the BigEast with a record of like 9-4.

TopCoog Wrote:Its not going to be as it is now. It lost all of its football power....hello cat, are you awake. None of the teams finished in the top 25 last year. If you go back four of five season the average is way way way below top 12 amoung new big east teams. this league has an opportunity but it has been severly crippled. If you think they are going to treat you like the big 12 you are sadly mistaken. You know better. Big East vs non BCS team in 5th bowl. That is about the best you can expect.

Hello Frosgter(TopCoog)! Do you still think the Big East will not invite Cincy to join it's conference? :laugh:

MUHERD Wrote:The BCS bid isn't and automatic bid "IF" the BigEast champion isn't ranked in the top 12 BCS poll the bid could end up going to a MWC/CUSA/MAC team that finishes in the top 12 of the BCS.  This was added into the BCS after the Q's made it into a BCS bowl in the 90's by winning the BigEast with a record of like 9-4.

Wrong again MUHerd. The Big East champ is guaranteed a spot in the BCS. It doesn't matter if they do not rank in the top 12 in the BCS standings. If the Big East champion doesn't average a 12 ranking or better over a four year period then the BCS has the right to reevaluate the Big East's BCS bid but it doesn't mean that CUSA or any other non bcs league will automatically get it's spot. It doesn't even mean that the Big East will lose it's bid, only that the whole situation gets reevaluated. I am sick and tired of morons like Muherd and topcoog posting incorrect info about the BCS.

Its not going to be as it is now. It lost all of its football power....hello cat, are you awake. None of the teams finished in the top 25 last year.

No I'm half asleep because you're starting to bore me. Last year? You mean when Miami AND Virginia Tech were also having down years? Nobody in C-USA finished in the Top 25 last year either (TCU is leaving), so I guess we shouldn't expect to see a C-USA team in a BCS bowl game either right?


If you go back four of five season the average is way way way below top 12 amoung new big east teams. this league has an opportunity but it has been severly crippled.

Same goes for C-USA. You know the difference? The Big East's top teams actually have the run of the place, with a BCS bid.

If you think they are going to treat you like the big 12 you are sadly mistaken. You know better.

Really? So because you don't like the Big East the Big 12 doesn't like it? The Big 12 actually pushed for the Big East to keep their BCS bid now you think they won't play them!? I must be mistaken then because the Big East was given a BCS bid, and the non-BCS teams aren't guaranteed a BCS spot. They have to meet qualifications to get a BCS bid, so how is the Big East guaranteed to play a non-BCS team if that team doesn't qualify? So, using your logic, if none of the non-BCS teams qualify none of the other Big 6 conference teams will play the Big East. Right.

Big East vs non BCS team in 5th bowl. That is about the best you can expect.

HAHAHA! That's the best we can expect! What if we don't get that, they're going to strip the BCS bid from the Big East even though they're guaranteed it? Look, you're just looking like a fool now. You don't have a clue what is going on. The non-BCS schools aren't guaranteed a BCS bid, they have to meet the qualifications. L-yess if right TopCoog, it's nothing but sour grapes. You're ticked because the Big East kept its BCS bid so you're taken to whining about them. There are going to be rotating bowls, outside of the Rose Bowl no conference is truly locked into a bowl. Give it up.

Who said anthing about CUSA??? We are talking about a stripped down Big East and what its prospects might be. You can't improve until you can look at your position realistically.