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RE: Revisiting Kings and Barons both Football and Basketball
(04-09-2012 05:44 PM)omniorange Wrote:
(04-09-2012 02:15 PM)XLance Wrote:
(04-08-2012 06:00 PM)omniorange Wrote:
(04-08-2012 03:08 PM)XLance Wrote:
(04-08-2012 12:39 PM)omniorange Wrote: Every once in a while I like to re-visit the topic of Kings and Barons (as Mandel calls them) in football. And this time I would like to add a separate listing of Kings and Barons in basketball as well. For the latter I am not including non-FBS playing members suchas Georgetown, Villanova, and Marquette which would all be at least Baron status.
Kings: Alabama, Florida, Florida State, Louisiana State, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, Southern Cal, Texas
Barons: Arkansas, Auburn, Clemson, Colorado, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Oregon, Tennessee, Texas A&M, UCLA, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Wisconsin
Kings: Arizona, Connecticut, Duke, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, Michigan State, North Carolina, Ohio State, Syracuse, UCLA
Barons: Arkansas, Cincinnati, Illinois, Maryland, Memphis, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, Pittsburgh, Purdue, Stanford, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia, Wisconsin
I'm sure the above is not a perfect listing, but I believe that it is a solid enough listing that it might give us an insight into how each conference is viewed.
It also gives us insight into why the conferences not named the SEC and the BiG have targeted who they have targeted for any remaining expansion.
The Pac-12 - Texas and Oklahoma
The ACC - Notre Dame
The Big 12 - Florida State and Clemson
Ultimately, for the ACC (since this is an ACC board), the league truly needs FSU and Miami to get back to being Kings on the field as well as off the field. Should that happen the conference will be fine.
Interesting isn't it that the PAC 12 and the SEC are targeting the same two schools, and that the B1G is targeting the same school as the ACC.
The Big XII has no place to go if either the SEC or the PAC 12 are successful. The ACC on the otherhand is well positioned as a 12 team league if FSU or Clemson (or both) were to leave. A 12 team ACC might be more attractive to Notre Dame.
If by successful, you mean survive, sure. But it would be a severely weakened ACC which would quickly become the equivalent of the Big East in the current football heirarchy.
If you read anything on the realignment board there are several folks there that have already pegged the ACC as having taken the Big East's place even with Florida State and Clemson.
Well once the ACC basically destroyed Big East football, ACC fans had to know that was coming. The Big East was your buffer.
We've become the new Big East.