(03-21-2012 09:02 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(03-21-2012 08:11 PM)cmhcat Wrote:  Columbus is the largest "city" but not the largest MSA. The Cincinnati MSA remains healthy and has never shown a decrease in population in any census. Population within the city limits matters only to politicians. Economically speaking it's the market population that matters, and Cincinnati at 2.3 million remains superior to Columbus at 1.7 million.

Agreed. Columbus continually annexes towns to keep its population 'growing.' The land area of Columbus is now over 210 square miles whereas Cincinnati's is less than 80 sq. miles. Columbus is really a suburban city.

Great article by Doc, though. Really encompasses how people in Cincinnati feel. I will disagree with him in Cincinnati being more of a 'southern' city. I work a lot between cities throughout the midwest as well as Louisville and I see Louisville (at least in business) as a much slower pace than Cincinnati. I see Cincinnati as more similar to cities like Pittsburgh and even Milwaukee.

Cincy is not southern, The South starts somewhere around Crittenden.

(03-21-2012 10:54 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(03-21-2012 09:02 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(03-21-2012 08:11 PM)cmhcat Wrote:  Columbus is the largest "city" but not the largest MSA. The Cincinnati MSA remains healthy and has never shown a decrease in population in any census. Population within the city limits matters only to politicians. Economically speaking it's the market population that matters, and Cincinnati at 2.3 million remains superior to Columbus at 1.7 million.

Agreed. Columbus continually annexes towns to keep its population 'growing.' The land area of Columbus is now over 210 square miles whereas Cincinnati's is less than 80 sq. miles. Columbus is really a suburban city.

Great article by Doc, though. Really encompasses how people in Cincinnati feel. I will disagree with him in Cincinnati being more of a 'southern' city. I work a lot between cities throughout the midwest as well as Louisville and I see Louisville (at least in business) as a much slower pace than Cincinnati. I see Cincinnati as more similar to cities like Pittsburgh and even Milwaukee.

Cincy is not southern, The South starts somewhere around Crittenden.

Agreed. I think his point is that Cincy is more southern than Columbus, which it is, but if you compare it to the South and East, it's a decidedly Midwestern city.

I've never understood the hatred of Doc. I know most of his stuff usually comes from a negative nelly perspective. But he isn't from here, but has lived here a long time. He positions himself as more of the Devil's Advocate in most arguments, rather than being a homer. I've always gotten that about Doc. Personally, I don't like homers who lack perspective. Those people who rip or criticize anyone who questions their home team.

Good article.

I've always felt like O$U were simply a bunch of underachievers. Going all the way back to the Woody Hayes days. I guess I remember him punching the opposing player too well. Just always seemed to me that OSU came up short way too often. I followed them back in the Jimmy Jackson basketball days, and I think Randy Ayers was the head coach. Had a bunch of talent but they just weren't very dominant. I guess my younger days saw a second fiddle type of OSU. And then for beaknose to take over the coaching duties and suddenly (and mysteriously $$$$) get all these superrecruits to sign with them........makes me suspicious. Ranks them up there with UK$ and Slimapari for me.

great article. this is exactly what i was saying in a previous thread, although it isn't exactly new news. i wouldn't call cincinnati "southern," though because of how old the town is, we've come to embrace many walks of life. cincinnati was once one of the 10 biggest cities in the country, but like with all river towns, there was a significant decline. i wonder where we'd be if we had the subway fully functional 90 years ago? maybe another chicago? i love this city and i do like columbus too. columbus has a mead bar. i like mead

The Buckeyes have to play the Bearcats Thursday night. They can’t buy their way out of it

:ncaabbs::ncaabbs::ncaabbs:

Serioulsy, what the hell is Buckeye basketball? And where do they get off feeling too elite to risk playing us or anyone? Reading some of the articles you'd think they've won multiple national titles in the last few years or have been some uber dominant program. Have they been better than us in the last 6 years, sure but that's expected when our program was totally imploded and rebuilt over 5 years. We're now both in the sweet 16 and I'd argue we play in a better overall basketball conference. As far as I'm concered, we're on equal footing with those cowards up north and I have a feeling with what Mick is building we'll be passing them by in little time.

(03-22-2012 09:21 AM)Murph29 Wrote:  Serioulsy, what the hell is Buckeye basketball? And where do they get off feeling too elite to risk playing us or anyone? Reading some of the articles you'd think they've won multiple national titles in the last few years or have been some uber dominant program. Have they been better than us in the last 6 years, sure but that's expected when our program was totally imploded and rebuilt over 5 years. We're now both in the sweet 16 and I'd argue we play in a better overall basketball conference. As far as I'm concered, we're on equal footing with those cowards up north and I have a feeling with what Mick is building we'll be passing them by in little time.

Thad Matta is absolutely fantastic.






At doing less with more than anyone in the country.




Seriously though. Most overrated coach ever. Zero accomplishments to his name.

I think Daugherty is a talented writer and he hit the nail on the head with this one. The only part I disagreed with was the UC professor who thinks we perceive ourselves as OSU's poor little sister.

I think the problem is that OSU perceives us as the poor little sister and we simply don't like it, and justifiably so.

Tonight's game is not only for UC fans, but for all the "other" schools in the state - even Ohio U - who feel they have to play second fiddle to the overrated school to the north.

Yes, this game is for the "other 99%" - the rest of Ohio who feels their respective schools are just as good as the one in Columbus.

A couple of things to note:

The "Southern City" reference is probably historic--since the Mason-Dixon line runs across the Ohio River--so from that standpoint, Cincinnati would have been traditionally considered the "most Southern" Northern city..

As for O$U Basketball...the tradition there is probably as deep as UC's...and pretty much follows the same time scale (with some exceptions) for being up..and down. It's just serendipity that the historic peak for their program came at the same time as UC's--hence the acrimony toward UC when they beat them TWICE in the NCAA championship.

A list of O$U players in the NBA is impressive--it includes 4 HOFers--the most impressive being John Havlicek and Jerry Lucas:

Anderson, Derek 1997-2007
Baker, Mark 1998-1998
Bradds, Gary 1964-1970
Campbell, Tony 1984-1994
Cleamons, Jim 1971-1979
Conley Jr., Mike 2007-2010
Cook, Daequan 2007-2010
Donham, Bob 1950-1953
Funderburke, Lawrence 1997-
Grate, Don 1949-1949
Havlicek, John 1962-1977 HOF
Hopson, Dennis 1987-1991
Hosket, Wilmer 1968-1971
Hunter, Othello 2008-2009
Huston, Paul 1947-1947
Jackson, Jim 1992-2005
Jackson, Wardell 1974-1974
Jent, Chris 1993-1996
Johnson, Ken 2002-2002
Johnston, Neil 1951-1958 HOF
Jorgensen, Roger 1946-1946
Kellogg, Clark 1982-1986
Koufos, Kosta 2008-2010
Lucas, Jerry 1963-1973 HOF
Minor, Mark 1972-1972
Nowell, Mel 1962-1967
Oden, Greg 2008-2009
Pugh, Les 1948-1949
Ransey, Kelvin 1980-1985
Redd, Michael 2000-2010
Risen, Arnie 1948-1957 HOF
Roberts, Joe 1960-1967
Schnittker, Dick 1950-1957
Sellers, Brad 1986-1992
Siegfried, Larry 1963-1971
Smith, Jim 1981-1982
Sorenson, Dave 1970-1972
Waiters, Granville 1983-1987
Williams, Herb 1981-1998
Witte, Luke 1973-1975

Incidentally, UC's list of players is below, with 2 HOFers the most impressive of the bunch would be Oscar:

Ard, Jim 1970-1977
Batts, Lloyd 1974-1974
Blount, Corie 1993-2003
Bobbitt, Tony 2004-
Bonham, Ron 1964-1967
Cummings, Pat 1979-1990
Davis, Ralph 1960-1961
Dickey, Derrek 1973-1977
Dierking, Connie 1958-1970
Fortson, Danny 1997-2006
Hogue, Paul 1962-1963
Holstein, Jim 1952-1955
Johnson, Dermarr 2000-2007
Long, Art 2000-2002
Martin, Kenyon 2000-2010
Maxiell, Jason 2005-2010
Miller, Bob 1983-1983
Patterson, Ruben 1998-2007
Roberson, Rick 1969-1975
Robertson, Oscar 1960-1973 HOF
Satterfield, Kenny 2001-2002
Stevens, Wayne 1959-1959
Thacker, Tom 1963-1970
Twyman, Jack 1955-1965 HOF
Van Exel, Nick 1993-2005
West, Roland 1967-1967
White, James 2006-2008
Wiesenhahn, Bob 1961-1961
Williams, Mike 1989-1989
Wilson, George 1964-1970
Wingfield, Donton 1994-1997

Pfft, Greg Oden.