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Kent 76 Offline
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RE: Is Camelot Crumbling?
OK, Dr.,so why did Geno leave?
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03-22-2012 02:34 PM
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(03-22-2012 02:34 PM)Kent 76 Wrote:  OK, Dr.,so why did Geno leave?

What's up doc?? Give us the scoop!
03-22-2012 06:14 PM
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Dr., older people being let go because they make a lot of money is nothing new. I know we have laws but I also know they are easily avoided. When you get to that age you better do very, very well because if you don't they have the perfect excuse to help the bottom line a bit. That is what happened to Lindsay. Performance first and opportunity to save money second.

By the way I firmly believe we will go cheap and unless we get lucky will fail with this hire. I have seen Division 3 womens coaches who were very good at that level fail at BG and Akron (I'm probably forgetting a few others). I am scared to death that will be our route. To me this might be the first new hire to test the new AD's ability and the President's committment to athletics . Over the years this has been a good program so we will see how much they really care. They got away easy replacing Ford. They did what everybody wanted and saved money too. They won't be able to do that with this hire.
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OK Danny why have you been so quiet on this one. You have been very positive about the new AD, I would expect you to be defending him some. Your silence makes me wonder if you have some of the sames concerns Dr. K has brought up. What he describes is disturbing. I have been very critical of Lindsay because he could no longer hold onto his players, it sounds like the AD might have the same disease. Any thoughts?
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(03-22-2012 06:58 PM)burden Wrote:  OK Danny why have you been so quiet on this one. You have been very positive about the new AD, I would expect you to be defending him some. Your silence makes me wonder if you have some of the sames concerns Dr. K has brought up. What he describes is disturbing. I have been very critical of Lindsay because he could no longer hold onto his players, it sounds like the AD might have the same disease. Any thoughts?

Well first and foremost, I have been in Des Moines and Atlanta the last two days for work. Let me say that the Volleyball coach wasn't relieved of his duties because of wins/losses. Granted if he had a couple of MAC titles under his belt, that decision might have gone differently. The Alan Ashby situation is absurd. I think it's important to realize that unless you own your own business, we all have a boss. You may not like what they have to say or the way they want things done, but that person is still your boss. Good for Alan for standing up for what he believed in, but he walked out. So that is on him. As far as Coach Lindsey, it was just time. He had been in Kent for 23 years and sometimes that is long enough. Ask anyone not named Boeheim or Coach K, etc, etc. That's just college athletics. There doesn't have to be a banner hanging for everyone with significant tenure. Bob did a great job for a long time. I am quite sure he got his paychecks every two weeks for the last 23 years.

I can't defend everyday things that go on because I am not present for most of these things. What I can say is that we were, as an Athletic Department, performing at the highest level in all phases when JN came in. Change isn't easy, isn't welcomed by everyone, and that level of success is almost impossible to maintain. JN has made moves (Replacing Martin w/ Hazell, Andrassay with a long term contract, etc. etc.) that are well received in the community and go overlooked because of some of the shortcomings of the program. It was JN who advised Lefton to accept the settlement from Bradley and Geno, but that didn't happen. If you choose to look at the glass as half empty instead of half full, that is your choice. I would still rather be in our situation, with our coaches and student athletes than any other program in our conference. Nobody is resting on their laurels and everyone seeks to be better so that we can be proud of KSU. I am.

I could weigh in on former employees like Ken Long and Gail (whom I was really close to) but what's the point? They have been gone for a while.
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Danny thanks for the thoughts. To me a lot of it sounds like the typical situation when somebody new comes in. Different goals and objectives that aren't the same as the previous boss. When that happens most people adjust but some don't and move on. The final answer will be performance over the next few years.
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Has the athletics department fired their proof reader, too?
03-27-2012 02:03 PM
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(03-27-2012 02:03 PM)FlashFan Wrote:  Has the athletics department fired their proof reader, too?

They had better watch what program they are using to cut and paste from into common spot! Sheesh! Someone should always look at it before approving a page, you can do that in "preview" mode.....
03-27-2012 02:36 PM
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Interesting "spin" saying that Conley was not renewed. He was indeed renewed through 2013 and has a contract and congratulatory letter from the AD to prove it. Conley was fired. Trying to figure out why the AD would say he was non-renewed when he signed his contract extension. Can you say litigation. If you non renew some one you do it immediately after their season so they can apply for jobs, waiting three months for a non renewal is unheard of.

Add the AD's secretary to the list of those leaving. Transferred across campus.
03-28-2012 09:44 AM
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