(03-20-2012 01:18 PM)Huskiefan38 Wrote:  

(03-20-2012 12:49 PM)flying dutchman Wrote:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAzVDDfB7qA

I watched this video over and over in slow motion and if I was on a Jury sorry he would be guilty. His movement was forward; He jumped forward and up into band member; He also turned right shoulder in a rotating motion forward like a follow thru punch would do. No offense but he really is guilty and should have at a minimum went back to see if person was ok and helped them up like many players do in football and basketball when they go out of bounds. There was really no reason for players to run onto field when band was still in formation on the field. If they really thought they should go on the field they should have waited or gone around the last band player not thru them. This might have been avoided had he went back and assisted and said he was sorry. Life's lessons are hard but should be when others are harmed by your actions. I certainly understand your thoughts but sincerely think you are wrong and now its in the hands of the court.

And I would have to strongly disagree with you.

If I were a jury, I would not be able to look at this video and proclaim that without an ounce of doubt, this was intentional.

I could see both ways. In one way you are correct, it looks as if the shoulder was lunged towards the band member. On the other hand, you can see him pulling back and it does appear that he is trying to turn sideways, to fit into the gap behind the band member (but the band member also moved back, so his direction ended up being right towards the band member)

Unfortunately none of us will ever know, but as a member of a jury there is no way you can say that based on the video alone.

I'm glad the band member came out with only minor injuries but I really think this whole thing should be taken in context. The team was told to run onto the field while the band was still there. That is not Jamaal's decision, and he should not be the one paying. Whoever told the football team to run while the band was still there should be the one in trouble (I heard it was ESPN).

Yeh - no obvious bias there. Because it happened so long ago and since there was no serious injury - I don't really care how this turns out as long as there is an appropriate punishment and any medical bills covered. I don't want to see anyone getting rich off this - especially some attorney taking the case. I can see a lot of money being sued for when this goes to a civil suit. Having said that, I don't see how anyone could say he was not trying to intentionally hit the band member.

The other question I have - did he also hit the other band member that was on the ground before the one shown got hit. I'm not talking about the one that is holding her nose (I think it is a female) but the one that is on the ground further away at the end of the video.

I see a lot of other NIU players slowing down and avoiding other band members trapped in the stream of players coming out. It's only one individual who acted like a complete a$$. Everyone needs to assume just about anything they do in public is probably getting caught on video by someone.

(03-20-2012 01:21 PM)SylvaniaRocket Wrote:  

(03-20-2012 01:10 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(03-20-2012 01:04 PM)SylvaniaRocket Wrote:  

(03-20-2012 11:52 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Its a money grab at this point, the charges will be dropped because its absolutely ridiculous.

Monetary awards are granted by a criminal court.

not granted?

But a criminal finding does make a subsequent civil suit a little more promising for the plaintiff. Have no idea if anyone is thinking along those lines or not.

A finding of guilty could influence a civil case. If he pleads no contest that has no bearing on a civil proceeding.

Why are we even discussing this? It will be interesting to follow and see how it turns out. Flying Dutchman was correct in that people are portraying the alleged perpetrator as the victim. It's like the driver who gets arrested for DUI tellling the officer that he is going to make him lose his job. No, the arrestee did that by drinking a case of beer and getting behind the wheel.

The problem with your comment that it will be interesting to see how it turns out underlies your complete misunderstanding of this process. It is not "interesting" to have a kid mischarged of a felony. There is nothing interesting about that, it is a tragedy. Lucas County is a circus, a joke.

(03-20-2012 01:43 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-20-2012 01:21 PM)SylvaniaRocket Wrote:  

(03-20-2012 01:10 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(03-20-2012 01:04 PM)SylvaniaRocket Wrote:  

(03-20-2012 11:52 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Its a money grab at this point, the charges will be dropped because its absolutely ridiculous.

Monetary awards are granted by a criminal court.

not granted?

But a criminal finding does make a subsequent civil suit a little more promising for the plaintiff. Have no idea if anyone is thinking along those lines or not.

A finding of guilty could influence a civil case. If he pleads no contest that has no bearing on a civil proceeding.

Why are we even discussing this? It will be interesting to follow and see how it turns out. Flying Dutchman was correct in that people are portraying the alleged perpetrator as the victim. It's like the driver who gets arrested for DUI tellling the officer that he is going to make him lose his job. No, the arrestee did that by drinking a case of beer and getting behind the wheel.

The problem with your comment that it will be interesting to see how it turns out underlies your complete misunderstanding of this process. It is not "interesting" to have a kid mischarged of a felony. There is nothing interesting about that, it is a tragedy. Lucas County is a circus, a joke.

I find military history, especially the American Civil War, very interesting. Terrible tragedy, many hundreds of thousands of lives ruined or lost. Very interesting.

MSN reports that two of the band members suffered concussions as a result of the alleged assault. Interesting.
http://now.msn.com/now-plus/0320-linebac...sault.aspx

(03-20-2012 01:34 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(03-20-2012 01:18 PM)Huskiefan38 Wrote:  

(03-20-2012 12:49 PM)flying dutchman Wrote:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAzVDDfB7qA

I watched this video over and over in slow motion and if I was on a Jury sorry he would be guilty. His movement was forward; He jumped forward and up into band member; He also turned right shoulder in a rotating motion forward like a follow thru punch would do. No offense but he really is guilty and should have at a minimum went back to see if person was ok and helped them up like many players do in football and basketball when they go out of bounds. There was really no reason for players to run onto field when band was still in formation on the field. If they really thought they should go on the field they should have waited or gone around the last band player not thru them. This might have been avoided had he went back and assisted and said he was sorry. Life's lessons are hard but should be when others are harmed by your actions. I certainly understand your thoughts but sincerely think you are wrong and now its in the hands of the court.

And I would have to strongly disagree with you.

If I were a jury, I would not be able to look at this video and proclaim that without an ounce of doubt, this was intentional.

I could see both ways. In one way you are correct, it looks as if the shoulder was lunged towards the band member. On the other hand, you can see him pulling back and it does appear that he is trying to turn sideways, to fit into the gap behind the band member (but the band member also moved back, so his direction ended up being right towards the band member)

Unfortunately none of us will ever know, but as a member of a jury there is no way you can say that based on the video alone.

I'm glad the band member came out with only minor injuries but I really think this whole thing should be taken in context. The team was told to run onto the field while the band was still there. That is not Jamaal's decision, and he should not be the one paying. Whoever told the football team to run while the band was still there should be the one in trouble (I heard it was ESPN).

Yeh - no obvious bias there. Because it happened so long ago and since there was no serious injury - I don't really care how this turns out as long as there is an appropriate punishment and any medical bills covered. I don't want to see anyone getting rich off this - especially some attorney taking the case. I can see a lot of money being sued for when this goes to a civil suit. Having said that, I don't see how anyone could say he was not trying to intentionally hit the band member.

The other question I have - did he also hit the other band member that was on the ground before the one shown got hit. I'm not talking about the one that is holding her nose (I think it is a female) but the one that is on the ground further away at the end of the video.

I see a lot of other NIU players slowing down and avoiding other band members trapped in the stream of players coming out. It's only one individual who acted like a complete a$$. Everyone needs to assume just about anything they do in public is probably getting caught on video by someone.

And "No obvious" bias on your side either??

Let's take a look at the non-biased ESPN reader comments. I'm interested in seeing what they have to say:

hov1311: he is clearly jumping around to avoid him...its not like he jumped through the kid and hit him in the face with his helmet he is avoiding him there are three other band members on the ground where is the justice for them, clearly the liberals that want justice for this "crime" have no common sense


BoSulli844: This is ridiculous that they are trying to send him to prison for that!!! How about suing the coach that told them to run out while the other team's band was still on the field? Is he an accessory to the crime? I wish the judicial system could just throw trash like this out immediately and impose a fine for wasting the court's time.


MailottJohnny: no way that's felony assault...and why in the world is the band right in the way of the team as they come out on the field? fail


Queso Fundido: I just watched the video. It looks like an accident.


arewayne811: wow. any of you calling for this guys head actually watch the video? He probably turned his shoulder as a natural reaction so he didn't run into the band member head on. They shouldn't have been on the field in the first place. LeGarette Blount is a free man but this guy gets indicted? Be rational people. People just toss around the idea of prison like it's nothing. Eight years in jail would ruin this kids life. Please somebody come up with a legit argument as to why this kid deserves THAT.



....and in all fairness, while pulling these comments, I did see one person say he thought it was intentional.


Source: http://espn.go.com/chicago/conversations...and-member

People seem to be under the misconception that it is the victim of the crime who brings charges against the accused and that some lawyer stands to get rich off this case. The state brings charges through the prosecutor's office. The injured band member is the victim and a witness, but he does not have the authority to have criminal charges filed against the defendant. Also, you can often make a charge look ridiculous by quoting the harshest possible sentence if he is convicted as charged. This guy will not do time for running over the band member, so don't get your panties in a wad.

(03-20-2012 03:47 PM)Dwight Wrote:  People seem to be under the misconception that it is the victim of the crime who brings charges against the accused and that some lawyer stands to get rich off this case. The state brings charges through the prosecutor's office. The injured band member is the victim and a witness, but he does not have the authority to have criminal charges filed against the defendant. Also, you can often make a charge look ridiculous by quoting the harshest possible sentence if he is convicted as charged. This guy will not do time for running over the band member, so don't get your panties in a wad.

Doesn't matter if it's 2 days or 8 years, a felony is a felony and will hurt his chances bad of making the NFL.

Additionally, the legal "victim" can have a very heavy influence on whether or not someone is charged.

And no matter what happens here, someone in Ohio is getting a boat load of cash, even if no civil charges are filed. Lawyer fees, fines, other legal fees, etc.... They probably end up getting shared too #corrupt

It's about to be on "around the horn" on ESPN - stay tuned for their comments.

Double posting onto two different threads because I'm not understanding the outrage here and am looking for whatever details or perspective I might be missing.

Are Husky fans claiming that their own coach suspended the player, without controversy, for accidentally running into the band members?


I think if I were in the shoes of those NIU fans and I believed this to be that case that I would have been throwing this hissy-fit months ago and telling my NIU administration that their actions reflected very poorly on the university and that they were crooked.


Were there any other NIU players that "accidentally" ran over a couple band members?

No. It wasn't an accident. It also wasn't assault.

Not hard whatsoever.