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RE: Why not New Mexico for a western team?
(03-19-2012 11:59 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  Yeah, the entire state of New Mexico has 2.1 million people. The entire state of Nevda has 2.7 million people. The people that keep mentioning New Mexico and UNLV dont understand that there is ZERO upside to those markets. A California school like Fresno St has 2.6 million people living in the surrounding valley area (more than the entire state of New Mexico and nearly equal to the entire state of Nevada) PLUS they have a secondary market of 37 million million Californians that might have a more casual interest in watching Fresno games on TV. Thats a huge potential upside that Nevada and New Mexico cant provide. There is just no reason to take UNLV and New Mexico. Both have bad football and limited markets.

Sounds like YOU are the one that doesn't understand TV markets.

Las Vegas is a Top 50 TV Market (#42), while Fresno is not (#55).

Las Vegas is almost the #1 or #2 tourist destination in the USA, with approx 40 Million visitors per year.

Next time...why not do your own research into the matter vs throwing out dumb and non-factual statements like "zero upside to (UNLV's) TV market".
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RE: Why not New Mexico for a western team?
(03-19-2012 02:16 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(03-19-2012 11:59 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  Yeah, the entire state of New Mexico has 2.1 million people. The entire state of Nevda has 2.7 million people. The people that keep mentioning New Mexico and UNLV dont understand that there is ZERO upside to those markets. A California school like Fresno St has 2.6 million people living in the surrounding valley area (more than the entire state of New Mexico and nearly equal to the entire state of Nevada) PLUS they have a secondary market of 37 million million Californians that might have a more casual interest in watching Fresno games on TV. Thats a huge potential upside that Nevada and New Mexico cant provide. There is just no reason to take UNLV and New Mexico. Both have bad football and limited markets.

Sounds like YOU are the one that doesn't understand TV markets.

Las Vegas is a Top 50 TV Market (#42), while Fresno is not (#55).

Las Vegas is almost the #1 or #2 tourist destination in the USA, with approx 40 Million visitors per year.

Next time...why not do your own research into the matter vs throwing out dumb and non-factual statements like "zero upside to (UNLV's) TV market".

lol....The 40 million people who go to Las Vegas arent going to UNLV football games. They are gambling at the Wynn.

What I said is the Las Vegas market has no upside in it's secondary state market.

Reading comprehension is your friend. If you actually read the comments, you would see that I was talking about how the secondary state market for UNLV has a very limited upside due to the states small population. Where as Fresno has much more upside due California's massive 37 million person population. The valley surrounding Fresno alone has nearly as many people as the entire state of Nevada. In Fresno, 40,000 people regularly show up for Bulldog football games---that doesnt happen at UNLV. Add in the synergistic affect of having two teams in California, the interest of TV viewers across that highly populated state could increase marketly. Thats what I mean by upside. The UNLV upside is extremely limited beyond its core market.
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RE: Why not New Mexico for a western team?
(03-19-2012 02:45 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  
(03-19-2012 02:16 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(03-19-2012 11:59 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  Yeah, the entire state of New Mexico has 2.1 million people. The entire state of Nevda has 2.7 million people. The people that keep mentioning New Mexico and UNLV dont understand that there is ZERO upside to those markets. A California school like Fresno St has 2.6 million people living in the surrounding valley area (more than the entire state of New Mexico and nearly equal to the entire state of Nevada) PLUS they have a secondary market of 37 million million Californians that might have a more casual interest in watching Fresno games on TV. Thats a huge potential upside that Nevada and New Mexico cant provide. There is just no reason to take UNLV and New Mexico. Both have bad football and limited markets.

Sounds like YOU are the one that doesn't understand TV markets.

Las Vegas is a Top 50 TV Market (#42), while Fresno is not (#55).

Las Vegas is almost the #1 or #2 tourist destination in the USA, with approx 40 Million visitors per year.

Next time...why not do your own research into the matter vs throwing out dumb and non-factual statements like "zero upside to (UNLV's) TV market".

lol....The 40 million people who go to Las Vegas arent going to UNLV football games. They are gambling at the Wynn.

What I said is the Las Vegas market has no upside in it's secondary state market.

Reading comprehension is your friend. If you actually read the comments, you would see that I was talking about how the secondary state market for UNLV has a very limited upside due to the states small population. Where as Fresno has much more upside due California's massive 37 million person population. The valley surrounding Fresno alone has nearly as many people as the entire state of Nevada. In Fresno, 40,000 people regularly show up for Bulldog football games---that doesnt happen at UNLV. Add in the synergistic affect of having two teams in California, the interest of TV viewers across that highly populated state could increase marketly. Thats what I mean by upside. The UNLV upside is extremely limited beyond its core market.

1) Last year, Fresno State average "announced" attendance was 29,298 per game.

2) Even if Fresno drew 40,000 or 50,000 per game...that's obviously not the most important factor to the Big East...because if it was...ECU would have been invited over teams such as Boise, SDSU, SMU, UH, UCF, Memphis and Temple.

Attendance doesn't mean much...especially compared to TV market and other factors....because if it did, schools like SMU, Memphis and Temple never would have been invited.

3) Last I recall, there are ZERO bowl games played in Fresno...and with Big East expanding to the West Coast...any and all new bowl games in that area might become future partners for the conf.

From all of your previous posts...seems like you have some personal hatred about UNLV...especially trying to even suggest that Fresno or New Mexico have more "upside" than UNLV with a new $2 Billion stadium project would be able to bring in.
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RE: Why not New Mexico for a western team?
(03-19-2012 02:16 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(03-19-2012 11:59 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  Yeah, the entire state of New Mexico has 2.1 million people. The entire state of Nevda has 2.7 million people. The people that keep mentioning New Mexico and UNLV dont understand that there is ZERO upside to those markets. A California school like Fresno St has 2.6 million people living in the surrounding valley area (more than the entire state of New Mexico and nearly equal to the entire state of Nevada) PLUS they have a secondary market of 37 million million Californians that might have a more casual interest in watching Fresno games on TV. Thats a huge potential upside that Nevada and New Mexico cant provide. There is just no reason to take UNLV and New Mexico. Both have bad football and limited markets.

Sounds like YOU are the one that doesn't understand TV markets.

Las Vegas is a Top 50 TV Market (#42), while Fresno is not (#55).

Las Vegas is almost the #1 or #2 tourist destination in the USA, with approx 40 Million visitors per year.

Next time...why not do your own research into the matter vs throwing out dumb and non-factual statements like "zero upside to (UNLV's) TV market".

I don't mean to get into a urinating contest here but how familiar are you with California and southern Nevada? As I've said, I would love to see UNLV added to the BE PROVIDED the western division was expanded to include all sports. Because UNLV hoops is great but their football is awful.

And here's the deal with Fresno from somebody who has lived in the Bay Area, in Fresno and in Southern California and who travels throughout the state on business. The Fresno area only has about half a million people but the San Joaquin Valley extends from Redding in the north to Bakersfield in the south and has a population of probably four million or so.

Fresno State has the only FBS football program in the SJ Valley. Therefore, nearly every little hamlet south of Fresno roots for the Bulldogs first and USC, which is on the other side of the Tahachapis, to a much lesser extent. (Almost nobody in the central valley cares about either UCLA or SDSU.) North of Fresno, including Merced, Modesto and Sacramento, Fresno State football is almost as popular as Cal, Stanford, UC Davis and Sac State combined. UCD and Sac State play FCS football so almost don't matter at all and Cal and Stanford are perceived by many as being part of the uppity Bay Area rather than the agricultural central valley. Pat Hill emphasized that by placing a large green "V" on the back of Fresno State's helmets.

The bottom line is that looking at Fresno State's "market" as strictly the Fresno metro area is highly misleading.
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(03-19-2012 02:52 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  Last I recall, there are ZERO bowl games played in Fresno...and with Big East expanding to the West Coast...any and all new bowl games in that area might become future partners for the conf.

From all of your previous posts...seems like you have some personal hatred about UNLV...especially trying to even suggest that Fresno or New Mexico have more "upside" than UNLV with a new $2 Billion stadium project would be able to bring in.

Yep, the so-called Raisin Bowl was thrown in the crapper at least 20 years ago. However, how much money does a bowl game earn? Granted, UNLV would look good if they build that stadium. However, it's been in the discussion stage for a decade. Which makes sense since LV housing has been hit harder by the economic downturn that any market in the country. And if the UNLV fan I sat next to at the MWC tournament a couple weekends ago is correct, LV is finally starting to get nervous about water. Just like California, Nevada has lost a significant share of Colorado River water to Arizona. And unlike California, Nevada won't be able to recoup that loss from the Pacific Ocean through desalinization.

Anyway, with due respect, I can hardly think of a worse football-only member to add to the BE than UNLV. These would be my choices in order of preference:

YBU (pronounced Why Be You? & short for Young Borg University)
AFA
Fresno
CSU
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(03-19-2012 02:52 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(03-19-2012 02:45 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  
(03-19-2012 02:16 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(03-19-2012 11:59 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  Yeah, the entire state of New Mexico has 2.1 million people. The entire state of Nevda has 2.7 million people. The people that keep mentioning New Mexico and UNLV dont understand that there is ZERO upside to those markets. A California school like Fresno St has 2.6 million people living in the surrounding valley area (more than the entire state of New Mexico and nearly equal to the entire state of Nevada) PLUS they have a secondary market of 37 million million Californians that might have a more casual interest in watching Fresno games on TV. Thats a huge potential upside that Nevada and New Mexico cant provide. There is just no reason to take UNLV and New Mexico. Both have bad football and limited markets.

Sounds like YOU are the one that doesn't understand TV markets.

Las Vegas is a Top 50 TV Market (#42), while Fresno is not (#55).

Las Vegas is almost the #1 or #2 tourist destination in the USA, with approx 40 Million visitors per year.

Next time...why not do your own research into the matter vs throwing out dumb and non-factual statements like "zero upside to (UNLV's) TV market".

lol....The 40 million people who go to Las Vegas arent going to UNLV football games. They are gambling at the Wynn.

What I said is the Las Vegas market has no upside in it's secondary state market.

Reading comprehension is your friend. If you actually read the comments, you would see that I was talking about how the secondary state market for UNLV has a very limited upside due to the states small population. Where as Fresno has much more upside due California's massive 37 million person population. The valley surrounding Fresno alone has nearly as many people as the entire state of Nevada. In Fresno, 40,000 people regularly show up for Bulldog football games---that doesnt happen at UNLV. Add in the synergistic affect of having two teams in California, the interest of TV viewers across that highly populated state could increase marketly. Thats what I mean by upside. The UNLV upside is extremely limited beyond its core market.

1) Last year, Fresno State average "announced" attendance was 29,298 per game.

2) Even if Fresno drew 40,000 or 50,000 per game...that's obviously not the most important factor to the Big East...because if it was...ECU would have been invited over teams such as Boise, SDSU, SMU, UH, UCF, Memphis and Temple.

Attendance doesn't mean much...especially compared to TV market and other factors....because if it did, schools like SMU, Memphis and Temple never would have been invited.

3) Last I recall, there are ZERO bowl games played in Fresno...and with Big East expanding to the West Coast...any and all new bowl games in that area might become future partners for the conf.

From all of your previous posts...seems like you have some personal hatred about UNLV...especially trying to even suggest that Fresno or New Mexico have more "upside" than UNLV with a new $2 Billion stadium project would be able to bring in.

Actually I have no dislike for UNLV. I go Vegas pretty regularly and have a great time. I just think as a "football only" invite they are a poor choice for multiple reasons. Ive NEVER suggested New Mexico as a good choice. In fact, if you read the previous posts, I lump them in with UNLV as poor choice. UNLV's value lies in its basketball program. As a football program, thier value is considerably less. Honestly, of the available choice out west beyond BYU and Air Force, only Fresno makes much sense---and they are probably borderline. Basically, it will come down to what the media people say. If they say UNLV adds the most money to the TV contract---then thats who we need to add. I just dont believe that will be thier final recommendation.
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RE: Why not New Mexico for a western team?
UNM and UNLV will never care about football, being football onlys, they don't offer anything even if they'd offer SDSU quite a bit in a regional other sports conference.
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(03-19-2012 03:12 PM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote:  
(03-19-2012 02:16 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(03-19-2012 11:59 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  Yeah, the entire state of New Mexico has 2.1 million people. The entire state of Nevda has 2.7 million people. The people that keep mentioning New Mexico and UNLV dont understand that there is ZERO upside to those markets. A California school like Fresno St has 2.6 million people living in the surrounding valley area (more than the entire state of New Mexico and nearly equal to the entire state of Nevada) PLUS they have a secondary market of 37 million million Californians that might have a more casual interest in watching Fresno games on TV. Thats a huge potential upside that Nevada and New Mexico cant provide. There is just no reason to take UNLV and New Mexico. Both have bad football and limited markets.

Sounds like YOU are the one that doesn't understand TV markets.

Las Vegas is a Top 50 TV Market (#42), while Fresno is not (#55).

Las Vegas is almost the #1 or #2 tourist destination in the USA, with approx 40 Million visitors per year.

Next time...why not do your own research into the matter vs throwing out dumb and non-factual statements like "zero upside to (UNLV's) TV market".

I don't mean to get into a urinating contest here but how familiar are you with California and southern Nevada? As I've said, I would love to see UNLV added to the BE PROVIDED the western division was expanded to include all sports. Because UNLV hoops is great but their football is awful.

And here's the deal with Fresno from somebody who has lived in the Bay Area, in Fresno and in Southern California and who travels throughout the state on business. The Fresno area only has about half a million people but the San Joaquin Valley extends from Redding in the north to Bakersfield in the south and has a population of probably four million or so.

Fresno State has the only FBS football program in the SJ Valley. Therefore, nearly every little hamlet south of Fresno roots for the Bulldogs first and USC, which is on the other side of the Tahachapis, to a much lesser extent. (Almost nobody in the central valley cares about either UCLA or SDSU.) North of Fresno, including Merced, Modesto and Sacramento, Fresno State football is almost as popular as Cal, Stanford, UC Davis and Sac State combined. UCD and Sac State play FCS football so almost don't matter at all and Cal and Stanford are perceived by many as being part of the uppity Bay Area rather than the agricultural central valley. Pat Hill emphasized that by placing a large green "V" on the back of Fresno State's helmets.

The bottom line is that looking at Fresno State's "market" as strictly the Fresno metro area is highly misleading.

Excellent Post, Couldn't have said it any better myself..
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(03-19-2012 01:52 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  Not to mention that this entire argument ignores the obvious. Why give teams who are terrible at football, and pretty much always have been, a football only invite? With the exception of the last couple of years, Fresno St has consistantly played football at a high level. That cant be said of UNLV or New Mexico.

Well you gave one to SDSU :-) Other than the 60's and two recent years that pretty much describes them.

(sorry Aztec's, you have been very supportive but I just couldn't resist)
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(03-19-2012 02:16 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(03-19-2012 11:59 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  Yeah, the entire state of New Mexico has 2.1 million people. The entire state of Nevda has 2.7 million people. The people that keep mentioning New Mexico and UNLV dont understand that there is ZERO upside to those markets. A California school like Fresno St has 2.6 million people living in the surrounding valley area (more than the entire state of New Mexico and nearly equal to the entire state of Nevada) PLUS they have a secondary market of 37 million million Californians that might have a more casual interest in watching Fresno games on TV. Thats a huge potential upside that Nevada and New Mexico cant provide. There is just no reason to take UNLV and New Mexico. Both have bad football and limited markets.

Sounds like YOU are the one that doesn't understand TV markets.

Las Vegas is a Top 50 TV Market (#42), while Fresno is not (#55).

Las Vegas is almost the #1 or #2 tourist destination in the USA, with approx 40 Million visitors per year.

Next time...why not do your own research into the matter vs throwing out dumb and non-factual statements like "zero upside to (UNLV's) TV market".

So just to provide you some numbers.

The UNLV Market is is 4oth at 737,300

As you point at the Fresno/Visalia Market is 55th at 574,800

But what you are missing is you are trying to sell your cable package. So if you really want to understand the potential of Fresno you have to realize the geographically it is one of the smallest DMA's in the country. Those of us who live in the valley recognize to properly value Fresno you have to look beyond the DMA.

So Fresno really is (all within 90 minutes of the stadium):
Fresno/Visalia 547,800
Bakersfield 221,920
and a portion of the
Sacramento/Stockton/Modesto 1,388,570 *.2 = 277,714

So really Fresno is about 1,047,434 which puts them just below San Diego on the DMA list. In addition, I have another 1M plus in Stockton/Sacramento that has no BCS or Pro football team and isn't really owned by any team.

As to no bowl game, have you ever been to Fresno in late December/January?
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