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RE: You need a picture ID for cigs, beer, or to cash a check...........but
(03-12-2012 08:40 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Is that the problem this is out to solve?

...and yes, that is one of the problems this is trying to solve. That, and trying to stop dead people from voting, people voting in multiple districts, etc...

Again, I'm open to ideas. Is there another way of verification?
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RE: You need a picture ID for cigs, beer, or to cash a check...........but
Quote:...and yes, that is one of the problems this is trying to solve. That, and trying to stop dead people from voting, people voting in multiple districts, etc...

What's the magnitude of this problem? How does people voting in multiple districts get solved by an id? How do dead people vote today?

Also, why pick that off and not address the absentee ballot issue?
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RE: You need a picture ID for cigs, beer, or to cash a check...........but
(03-12-2012 09:05 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  
(03-12-2012 08:40 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Is that the problem this is out to solve? Have you ever voted in a state that doesn't require ID's? You might have a point, what if we had this in Florida in 2000? A LOT of problems would have never happened.

Go on...continue this thought.

I was being sarcastic, get it? ID's won't solve anything but add more government to the process and limit people's ability to vote, which the right seems to want to do to ensure they stay in power.
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RE: You need a picture ID for cigs, beer, or to cash a check...........but
Demanding picture ID in order to vote is a solution in search of a problem. There has been no demonstrated reason for it.

Don't the Republicans have a lot of JOBS bills that they promised to get moving on?
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The republican-led House has passed over 30 jobs bills that are sitting in the Senate.

I don't know if they are any good, but they are passing jobs bills.
03-12-2012 10:33 PM
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RE: You need a picture ID for cigs, beer, or to cash a check...........but
Common Sense.
Voting is a basic right that comes with, IMO, a higher threshold of responsibility. If the desire is to exercise that right, take the necessary and simple steps to secure the necessary safeguard to insure that basic right isnt "stolen" (by others perpetrating fraud).

No, it isnt fool proof but it should a minimum requirement.
Voting or the fraud that can be perpetrated is at the root of power in this country. It directs policy, flow of $ and is even a national security issue (IMO).

There are steps, if people are serious to deter false docs.
Considering how divided this country is, taking logical and legal steps to enhance the belief (and actuality) that the election process is fair is not "unfair".
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RE: You need a picture ID for cigs, beer, or to cash a check...........but
I just don't see what the big deal is to show some I.D.

Pretty much everyone has some anyway, and if they don't it takes literally 5 minutes to get one. It's perhaps the simplest and cheapest method to prevent voter fraud. Some of you act like they want your first born child or something.... Sheesh...
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(03-13-2012 01:50 AM)WMU_Flyboy Wrote:  I just don't see what the big deal is to show some I.D.

Pretty much everyone has some anyway, and if they don't it takes literally 5 minutes to get one. It's perhaps the simplest and cheapest method to prevent voter fraud. Some of you act like they want your first born child or something.... Sheesh...

It's not to prevent voter fraud. It's to depress turnout.

Because what seems to happen is that the Republican dominated Wisconsin legislature passes a Voter-ID law, then follows it up by shutting down half of the DMV's in the state and restricts their hours to 9-5 or 10-4 as a "cost saving measure."

Then it becomes "Oh, you need to take a day off of work to get the stupid thing", not "it takes five minutes."

I'd start countering these laws with ones that make Election day a national holiday and allow people to leave their jobs to vote without punishment.

This is the voter fraud that needs to be caught and punished.
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RE: You need a picture ID for cigs, beer, or to cash a check...........but
And frankly, the idea that there's some illegal Mexican is going to come in and mispronounce your name and get to vote while you get rejected 5 hours later when showing up is dumb.

It's easily the worst way to try to "steal" an election. It's an issue of scale. Even local elections have thousands of votes, state legislature in Michigan is 20-40,000 and so on up the ladder. Every person that goes in there to defraud their vote is a person that could get caught by saying something stupid, by someone who knows the person they're "voting for", knows that person died in the last two years, that person shows up later in the day and screams bloody murder (and usually gets a temporary ballot that will end up getting the other one thrown out), or the area is out in the boonies like where my best friend lives where within a year of moving there, the lady at the election knew which house was his because of his dogs.

Any kind of realistic fraud will occur during the counting stage, or like the above mentioned moron, will involve some guy creating absentee ballots out of thin air.
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RE: You need a picture ID for cigs, beer, or to cash a check...........but
So now that you've selectively decided voting shouldn't require a pictured ID, as it's just toooooo hard to take the time to get one.

Which of these SHOULD continue to require a pictured ID?
Let's start with check cashing, and apply your logic to that one. Every Tuesday you'll find 25% of the convictions in the paper are for passing bogus checks. 03-shhhh

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Quote:Every person that goes in there to defraud their vote CASH A CHECK is a person that could get caught by saying something stupid, by someone who knows the person they're "voting for" ON THE CHECK, knows that person died in the last two years, or the area is out in the boonies like where my best friend lives where within a year of moving there, the lady at the election bank or store knew which house was his because of his dogs.

Buy alcohol
Buy cigarettes
Apply for welfare
Apply for food stamps
Cash a check
Purchase a firearm
Make any large credit card purchase
Open a bank account
Rent an apartment
Be admitted to a hospital
Get a marriage license
Voting- No ID required
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