(03-04-2012 12:42 PM)Bull Wrote:
(03-04-2012 01:06 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:
(03-03-2012 10:43 PM)Doogie Wrote:
(03-03-2012 07:02 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:
(03-03-2012 05:37 PM)Wolfman Wrote: Some time ago I said the ACC should "consider" Temple if/when it expands again. I got slammed by everyone except the Temple fans. Now suddenly they are the saviors of the Big East??
Seriously, every single other Big East team, except maybe SMU, would be a better choice for the ACC than Temple.
Temple is a low ceiling choice for the Big East but the truth is that it has very few options available to it and it needs to fill football games next season so Temple it is.
How many other schools in the country, nevermind the BE, can claim that their 3 revenue sports - fball, m bball and w bball - over the past 3 seasons(including this one) that they were bowl eligible and both bball teams made the tournament???
You can count them on less than 1 hand and Temple is one of them.
Where does Temple rank in total wins over the past 3 years for total wins in all 3 sports combined?
Again, Temple is in top 5.
Check the sagarins ratings for the last 2-3 years and what school is in the top half of both the old BE and the new BE?
Attendance for fball has increased 83% over the last 5 years and increasing year by year. A winning team in the BE conference can only help.
Bball avg attendance was 8300 this year while playing in the A10. ACC average as a conference in 10-11 was 9936. Avg BE bball was 11082. Again, Temple was close to the ACC avg and less than 3k from the BE average playing an a10 schedule.
And Temple lays right smack in the middle of the ACC footprint in the 4th largest market.
In the last 13 years, on campus students have increased from 3k to 12k with a goal of 16k within the next 2-3 years.
This isnt the Temple of the 90s!
^ Great post. ^
Can't argue with any of it!
Yep. He kicked it right through the uprights!
Wait! What? I'm not at all sure that he did.
First let me say that I have a soft spot for the city of Philadelphia in general and specifically for the Temple Owls. I am definitely not a TU hater. In fact I'm just the opposite. Also, as a fan of another urban school myself, I know all too well how difficult a climb it is for schools like ours to compete in this environment so we're basically on the same side here.
One of my closest friends is a Temple alum and I lived in Philly for two years and went to many Owls games while I lived and worked there (I never had to worry about parking or finding a seat). I even have an "Ill" t-shirt from the Phillies game I attended last year. Hell, I have been to four or five Mummers parades.
Finally, through a mutual friend, I have attended a few of John Chaney's legendary early morning practices and had the opportunity to get to know him a bit and I REALLY liked him a lot. You are probably not going to like this but I have also met Jay Wright a few times and he too is a REALLY good guy.
So I definitely like you batschitt crazy Philadelphians and I like Temple. And make no mistake about it, most Philadelphians are absolutely batschitt crazy - but in a really sweet and endearing way. Your entire culture is EXTRMELY misunderstood, IMHO.
...I still hate the Flyers though. Bobby Clarke was a gutless punk and a terrible human being but that is a debate for a different day.
On this very board I have long advocated the inclusion of Temple, Memphis and East Carolina rather than far flung choices like San Diego State and Boise State. I think geography is slightly overrated in this day and age but it is not a complete non-factor like the Big East is treating it and I firmly believe that in time all of the parties involved will come to regret the Big East's courting of Boise State and San Diego State. I also believe that SMU was a terrible choice for the Big East but they probably became necessary when TCU bailed for the B12. Still, I think SMU was a really poor choice - especially as an all-sports school.
To get back to the main point, if Doogie's point is that the new and improved Temple can FINALLY compete in this version of the Big East - against schools like SMU, Houston, UCF, etc. - then we are in total agreement. I definitely consider Temple to be a peer of schools like that.
However to then take it to the next level and imply that Temple would be a good fit for the ACC, well, that's just plain ridiculous. I'm sorry but that is the truth.
You can say that football attendance is up 83 percent and that sounds great but you are still only averaging about 20K fans per game. That number will likely improve in the Big East but only by a smidgeon. If you ever get to the point where you are consistently averaging 30K fans per game that would be an amazing achievement and you should build a statue of your AD. I can't imagine that ever happening - at least not in any of our lifetimes.
The Owls would be well down the list of ACC expansion candidates and frankly they're not even close to most of the other candidates including Connecticut, Rutgers, South Florida and Central Florida. However of that next tier of teams like Memphis, Houston, East Carolina and SMU, absolutely you are in those schools' class.
Who knows, maybe one day the ACC gets raided AND will decide to go to 20 or so teams. In that scenario perhaps Temple does begin to make some sense. However if we're talking about an intact ACC expanding by two more teams then there is no plausible scenario in which Temple would get the nod over a gaggle of other more qualified programs.