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RE: Why add another mouth to feed?
(02-23-2012 11:43 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Oh, I honestly thought they were the UNMS because isn't there one in the MWC named NMU?

The school in Las Cruces is New Mexico State University (NMSU)

The school in Albuquerque is the University of New Mexico (UNM)
02-23-2012 12:27 PM
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RE: Why add another mouth to feed?
I think any of the three of Georgia Southern, Georgia State, or App State would all bring more to the conference than they would take away. With that said, adding all three at once could take away from the conference due to the influx of "startup FBS schools"
02-23-2012 12:59 PM
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RE: Why add another mouth to feed?
(02-23-2012 11:56 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Looking at it from the standpoint of just brinigng in mouths to feed will keep us in a state of stagnation and regeression. Right now we are not getting anything of significance from our tv deal. Staying as the unit we currently have will not better that situation unless two of the 10 immediately grow into top 35 programs. We need to look to prosper. In order to do that, we must look to add programs. Unless we can lure some CUSA teams to the SBC, we will have to look for teams that have not maxed their value and appear to be in a position to grow beyond leaps and bounds. There are three programs currently pursuing FBS football or looking to pursue FBS football that fit that criteria - UTSA, GA State and UNCC. Get them in and allow them to put their resources into the SBC. They will be more than just mouths to feed.

At the risk of being repetitive.....no I've gone beyond risk and am sitting squarely in the middle of Repeatville....enabling Ga State will hurt us in the long run. Once they've completed the transition to FBS they will become a target of expansion by other conferences and that will happen before they can bring any substantial economic benefit to the the conference. And then what do we have? Another FBS program in the SE region with a better conference affiliation competing with us for recruits and TV money.
At least App State and Ga Southern would have to have some extended success before they could overcome their markets and get lured away.
UTSA and TSU are already going to be FBS and they offer good markets and fanbases. They make much more sense.
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02-23-2012 01:36 PM
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(02-23-2012 11:56 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Looking at it from the standpoint of just brinigng in mouths to feed will keep us in a state of stagnation and regeression. Right now we are not getting anything of significance from our tv deal. Staying as the unit we currently have will not better that situation unless two of the 10 immediately grow into top 35 programs. We need to look to prosper. In order to do that, we must look to add programs. Unless we can lure some CUSA teams to the SBC, we will have to look for teams that have not maxed their value and appear to be in a position to grow beyond leaps and bounds. There are three programs currently pursuing FBS football or looking to pursue FBS football that fit that criteria - UTSA, GA State and UNCC. Get them in and allow them to put their resources into the SBC. They will be more than just mouths to feed.

I have been saying this for quite awhile. Staying as we are is of no benefit and is probably a detriment.
02-23-2012 01:43 PM
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(02-23-2012 01:36 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 11:56 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Looking at it from the standpoint of just brinigng in mouths to feed will keep us in a state of stagnation and regeression. Right now we are not getting anything of significance from our tv deal. Staying as the unit we currently have will not better that situation unless two of the 10 immediately grow into top 35 programs. We need to look to prosper. In order to do that, we must look to add programs. Unless we can lure some CUSA teams to the SBC, we will have to look for teams that have not maxed their value and appear to be in a position to grow beyond leaps and bounds. There are three programs currently pursuing FBS football or looking to pursue FBS football that fit that criteria - UTSA, GA State and UNCC. Get them in and allow them to put their resources into the SBC. They will be more than just mouths to feed.

At the risk of being repetitive.....no I've gone beyond risk and am sitting squarely in the middle of Repeatville....enabling Ga State will hurt us in the long run. Once they've completed the transition to FBS they will become a target of expansion by other conferences and that will happen before they can bring any substantial economic benefit to the the conference. And then what do we have? Another FBS program in the SE region with a better conference affiliation competing with us for recruits and TV money.
At least App State and Ga Southern would have to have some extended success before they could overcome their markets and get lured away.
UTSA and TSU are already going to be FBS and they offer good markets and fanbases. They make much more sense.

But you shouldn't look at it that way. One thing realignment should have taught us is that no one is safe. The AQ schools took programs from one another without any hesitation. No one is safe. Especially teams in non-AQ conferences. Therefore, each conference must add value and maximize its branding and money making potential. We have to. If that means rolling the dice that UTSA and Ga State may leave in 5 years, then so be it. If the conference is 1000% better financially when those schools leave, it would have all been worth it.
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(02-23-2012 03:08 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 01:36 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 11:56 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Looking at it from the standpoint of just brinigng in mouths to feed will keep us in a state of stagnation and regeression. Right now we are not getting anything of significance from our tv deal. Staying as the unit we currently have will not better that situation unless two of the 10 immediately grow into top 35 programs. We need to look to prosper. In order to do that, we must look to add programs. Unless we can lure some CUSA teams to the SBC, we will have to look for teams that have not maxed their value and appear to be in a position to grow beyond leaps and bounds. There are three programs currently pursuing FBS football or looking to pursue FBS football that fit that criteria - UTSA, GA State and UNCC. Get them in and allow them to put their resources into the SBC. They will be more than just mouths to feed.

At the risk of being repetitive.....no I've gone beyond risk and am sitting squarely in the middle of Repeatville....enabling Ga State will hurt us in the long run. Once they've completed the transition to FBS they will become a target of expansion by other conferences and that will happen before they can bring any substantial economic benefit to the the conference. And then what do we have? Another FBS program in the SE region with a better conference affiliation competing with us for recruits and TV money.
At least App State and Ga Southern would have to have some extended success before they could overcome their markets and get lured away.
UTSA and TSU are already going to be FBS and they offer good markets and fanbases. They make much more sense.

But you shouldn't look at it that way. One thing realignment should have taught us is that no one is safe. The AQ schools took programs from one another without any hesitation. No one is safe. Especially teams in non-AQ conferences. Therefore, each conference must add value and maximize its branding and money making potential. We have to. If that means rolling the dice that UTSA and Ga State may leave in 5 years, then so be it. If the conference is 1000% better financially when those schools leave, it would have all been worth it.

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02-23-2012 03:28 PM
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RE: Why add another mouth to feed?
(02-23-2012 03:08 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 01:36 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 11:56 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Looking at it from the standpoint of just brinigng in mouths to feed will keep us in a state of stagnation and regeression. Right now we are not getting anything of significance from our tv deal. Staying as the unit we currently have will not better that situation unless two of the 10 immediately grow into top 35 programs. We need to look to prosper. In order to do that, we must look to add programs. Unless we can lure some CUSA teams to the SBC, we will have to look for teams that have not maxed their value and appear to be in a position to grow beyond leaps and bounds. There are three programs currently pursuing FBS football or looking to pursue FBS football that fit that criteria - UTSA, GA State and UNCC. Get them in and allow them to put their resources into the SBC. They will be more than just mouths to feed.

At the risk of being repetitive.....no I've gone beyond risk and am sitting squarely in the middle of Repeatville....enabling Ga State will hurt us in the long run. Once they've completed the transition to FBS they will become a target of expansion by other conferences and that will happen before they can bring any substantial economic benefit to the the conference. And then what do we have? Another FBS program in the SE region with a better conference affiliation competing with us for recruits and TV money.
At least App State and Ga Southern would have to have some extended success before they could overcome their markets and get lured away.
UTSA and TSU are already going to be FBS and they offer good markets and fanbases. They make much more sense.

But you shouldn't look at it that way. One thing realignment should have taught us is that no one is safe. The AQ schools took programs from one another without any hesitation. No one is safe. Especially teams in non-AQ conferences. Therefore, each conference must add value and maximize its branding and money making potential. We have to. If that means rolling the dice that UTSA and Ga State may leave in 5 years, then so be it. If the conference is 1000% better financially when those schools leave, it would have all been worth it.

The conference would not be in better shape after five years. Look at what has happened to TV deals in other conferences after they have been raided. All the contracts are extinguishable by the networks if there is a change in membership and they think the value has decreased.
And you have to think about what happens after they leave. In the Ga State case, we've elevated an FCS program into one that now will be in a better position to win in the competition for resources. ULM may not feel the pinch much, but USA, MTSU, WKU and Troy all recruit Georgia heavily and it would harm our ability to pull players from that state.
BTW, I'm not against UTSA. I'm all for it, but only because there's no stopping them from joining the FBS ranks since they received an invitation from the WAC.
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(02-23-2012 03:53 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 03:08 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 01:36 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 11:56 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Looking at it from the standpoint of just brinigng in mouths to feed will keep us in a state of stagnation and regeression. Right now we are not getting anything of significance from our tv deal. Staying as the unit we currently have will not better that situation unless two of the 10 immediately grow into top 35 programs. We need to look to prosper. In order to do that, we must look to add programs. Unless we can lure some CUSA teams to the SBC, we will have to look for teams that have not maxed their value and appear to be in a position to grow beyond leaps and bounds. There are three programs currently pursuing FBS football or looking to pursue FBS football that fit that criteria - UTSA, GA State and UNCC. Get them in and allow them to put their resources into the SBC. They will be more than just mouths to feed.

At the risk of being repetitive.....no I've gone beyond risk and am sitting squarely in the middle of Repeatville....enabling Ga State will hurt us in the long run. Once they've completed the transition to FBS they will become a target of expansion by other conferences and that will happen before they can bring any substantial economic benefit to the the conference. And then what do we have? Another FBS program in the SE region with a better conference affiliation competing with us for recruits and TV money.
At least App State and Ga Southern would have to have some extended success before they could overcome their markets and get lured away.
UTSA and TSU are already going to be FBS and they offer good markets and fanbases. They make much more sense.

But you shouldn't look at it that way. One thing realignment should have taught us is that no one is safe. The AQ schools took programs from one another without any hesitation. No one is safe. Especially teams in non-AQ conferences. Therefore, each conference must add value and maximize its branding and money making potential. We have to. If that means rolling the dice that UTSA and Ga State may leave in 5 years, then so be it. If the conference is 1000% better financially when those schools leave, it would have all been worth it.

The conference would not be in better shape after five years. Look at what has happened to TV deals in other conferences after they have been raided. All the contracts are extinguishable by the networks if there is a change in membership and they think the value has decreased.
And you have to think about what happens after they leave. In the Ga State case, we've elevated an FCS program into one that now will be in a better position to win in the competition for resources. ULM may not feel the pinch much, but USA, MTSU, WKU and Troy all recruit Georgia heavily and it would harm our ability to pull players from that state.
BTW, I'm not against UTSA. I'm all for it, but only because there's no stopping them from joining the FBS ranks since they received an invitation from the WAC.

Your argument tends to suggests that GA State will surpass all other members of the SBC without a doubt within five years. I do not think that will be the case.
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I don't think hes suggesting that. Hes suggesting that they will be snatched up by "big market conference 23723849" by virtue of the fact they're in Atlanta. They could, theoretically, lose 80% of their games and still move up because of Atlanta.
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Speaking of building the brand, you brand means nothing if teams are constintly coming and going. Stability will build the brand, in the scenario that you guys are talking about, if it all worked out that way, Appy State is a better bet for long term success for the SBC.
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