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RE: Did Villanova agree to Temple in BE in return for..
(02-22-2012 04:55 PM)OrangeXtreme Wrote:  
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(02-22-2012 02:58 PM)cttu Wrote:  i don't see how temple and nova could share the linc, too many games for one stadium. i just dont think the eagles would be okay with it

That is a good counter point but Philadelphia is a massive football town. With Big East games happening during the week the grounds crew could maintain. If the increased cost of grounds keeping doesn't outweight the increase of funds coming in for the linc then do the Eagles even have a say in it?

Philadelphia is a massive PRO football town. Nobody cares about college.

Temple averaged 28,000 last year. Nova averaged 8,780.

Besides, Temple has an exclusive on the Linc until 2017 (they put up $15 million towards construction in exchange for a 15 year lease).

If the Eagles don't want their grass field torn up 12 times a year, it won't happen.

Yes Philly FB belongs to the Eagles.

Temple only averaged 28k last year because Penn St played them at the Linc. When Penn St doesn't play there they only average 20k and they need Navy, Delaware, and the Mayors Cup with Nova to get that number in attendance when Penn doesn't play in Philly.

Temple did not contribute a cent toward building the Linc. The Eagles, the city, and the state built the Linc. Temple pays a million a year to play there under the current 15 year contract. That money goes straight to Laurie's chump change pocket for incidental living expenses.

8 home Eagle games, 7 home Temple games, and one December Army / Navy game is all the Linc grass field can tolerate and is all that Laurie will allow.

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RE: Did Villanova agree to Temple in BE in return for..
That's an interesting conclusion. It may be possible. I am not opposed to Nova moving up but not in lieu of another more qualified team.
02-22-2012 05:51 PM
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RE: Did Villanova agree to Temple in BE in return for..
My guess is that enough BE BB-Catholic schools who would benefit from cheaper travel costs by adding Temple (Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall and Georgetown) combined with the real threat to the conference as a whole of not having 8 full members for 2012 made Villanova's no-Temple voting block dissolve and that is that.

If 13 current members are voting (all but departing members Pitt, SU and WVU) and you need 75% approval (10 of 13) Villanova needs 3 other anti-Temple votes to block that addition, so the East Coast Catholics likely bailed on them. My guess is ND would be an abstention and DePaul and Marquette would hang with Nova as it doesn't really help or hurt them, leaving it a clean 10-3 vote and Temple is in.

What will be interesting to watch, however, is Temple transitition. I mean they just started having winning seasons 3 years ago, did not manage to beat a MAC team with a winning record nor win the MAC East and they won their first bowl in 30+ years against a WAC remnant team. Now will there fanbase that has to be ecstatic today be so ecstatic if the next 3 year are 4-8, 5-7 and 6-6?
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(02-22-2012 05:48 PM)panite Wrote:  Temple did not contribute a cent toward building the Linc. The Eagles, the city, and the state built the Linc. Temple pays a million a year to play there under the current 15 year contract. That money goes straight to Laurie's chump change pocket for incidental living expenses.

http://www.billhance.com/football/Linc/LincMainPage.htm

$15 million paid by Temple University for 15 year contract, in 1 lump sum plus 4 annual payments
The deal was arranged by Gov. Rendell and House Speaker Perzel
The Eagles wanted the entire $15 million up front; Temple wanted to pay $3 million per year for 5 years
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You can have three teams share the same facility. I believe it was the Rutgers 1993 season when we had to play all of our games at Giants Stadium when Rutgers Stadium was being rebuilt. It can be done but it will be a scheduling nightmare.
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I think it would be a LOT easier if it's 2 college teams sharing and then a pro team.

2 college 1 pro- 10 pro games plus 10 college games- 20 total
2 pro 1 college- 19 pro games(assuming teams play each other preseason) plus 6 college games- 25 total
02-23-2012 12:19 AM
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(02-23-2012 12:19 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think it would be a LOT easier if it's 2 college teams sharing and then a pro team.

2 college 1 pro- 10 pro games plus 10 college games- 20 total
2 pro 1 college- 19 pro games(assuming teams play each other preseason) plus 6 college games- 25 total

i guess in this hypothetical it would probably be 9 college games because of the tu nova game?
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RE: Did Villanova agree to Temple in BE in return for..
(02-23-2012 12:56 AM)cttu Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 12:19 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think it would be a LOT easier if it's 2 college teams sharing and then a pro team.

2 college 1 pro- 10 pro games plus 10 college games- 20 total
2 pro 1 college- 19 pro games(assuming teams play each other preseason) plus 6 college games- 25 total

i guess in this hypothetical it would probably be 9 college games because of the tu nova game?

I was thinking both would have 5 home games on a typical season... Villanova may play their other games at PPL park....
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(02-23-2012 12:14 AM)RutgersMike Wrote:  You can have three teams share the same facility. I believe it was the Rutgers 1993 season when we had to play all of our games at Giants Stadium when Rutgers Stadium was being rebuilt. It can be done but it will be a scheduling nightmare.

Giants Stadium was turf. I'm pretty sure that the Linc is grass. That is a lot of abuse for a grass field.

From a story in the Times-Herald, it seems that Nova did not cut a deal.
http://www.timesherald.com/article/20120.../120229845
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Oh, boo-hoo-hoo! Poor Villanova!

All that those poor, poor Wildcats (and by "poor" I mean very affluent) ever did was to repeatedly black-ball Temple for decades. They were merely looking after their own interests you see and it's not their fault of concern that their actions have irreparably harmed the Owls' athletic program.

While Villanova was cashing all of those big fat checks from ESPN for all those years for the rights to their games versus Georgetown, Syracuse and Connecticut, Temple was banished to the A-10 and was forced to slum it against teams like Fordham, St. Bonaventure and Duquesne.

Now that the Big East has run out of realistic options - save for ECU who has been continually hosed throughout this process, IMHO - the league had no choice but to turn to Temple. I mean the Big East literally looked almost everywhere else first.

Just think about this for a second. A league that calls itself "The Big East" added teams from California, Idaho, Tennessee and not one but TWO teams from Texas before adding the largest school in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania for christ's sake!

And we're supposed to feel badly for Villanova because it may adversely impact that school's recruiting and ticket sales?

Gimme a freaking break!

If I was a Temple fan and read this I would be breathing fire right now. Hell, I could care less about Temple and I'm still annoyed with this piece because it is a PERFECT illustration of the shameless sense of entitlement that Villanova has ALWAYS had and it is sickening.

Having said all of that, as a Pitt fan I would like to take this opportunity to thank Villanova for their brazen selfishness because I am absolutely convinced that it was the Wildcats' half-arse plan to play in that 18K seat soccer stadium - and the Big East brass' inexplicable support of that moronic plan - that finally convinced the notoriously slow on the uptake Pitt administration to look around for better opportunities which we ultimately found (thank you, Jesus).

And the worst part of this whole deal is I think Villanova's fears are completely unfounded. I believe that adding a legitimate rival to their slate will actually help in areas like recruitment and attendance because their hatred for each other will garner attention in a market where college athletics are often ignored. I said the same thing about USF when they were blocking UCF's admittance into the Big East. That rivalry will prove to be the very best thing that happened to the Bulls, not the worst. The same is true of Villanova and Temple.

Now, does it help the rest of the Big East? I'm not so sure. I think the jury will remain out on that issue for some time. However that pure hatred for each other will DEFINITELY increase Philadelphia's interest in the Big East in general and that will trickle down to both of the market's Big East universities.

Also, I now believe that it at least makes some sense for VU to upgrade to FBS football whereas before it made no sense whatsoever. Instead of focusing on Lincoln Financial Field - which neither program will never, ever fill - perhaps the schools would each be better served pooling their resources together to upgrade PPL Park to somewhere between 30-40K seats. On the rare occasion when a Notre Dame or a Penn State comes to town, simply play that game at the Linc. However when it is the far more common occurance like a game versus Memphis, UConn or UCF, play it in the more intimate facility. That will create a better atmosphere for fans at the game, it will look better on television and it will be attractive to recruits. That is what I would do if I were those two schools. But it has to be at least 30-40K seats. It can't be 18-19K seats like it is now as that is simply too small a venue for a league that wants to be considred a part of big time college football. That is big time for FCS football, but it does not pass the threshold of big time FBS football.

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(This post was last modified: 02-23-2012 10:27 AM by Dr. Isaly von Yinzer.)
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