(02-27-2012 08:19 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 05:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 02:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  ... which was a pointless thing to do, since i called Cincy a "small-time" program in relation to UK, Indiana, and Ohio State, not Georgetown. If you want to keep whining about me referring to the Bearcats as small-time, then do so in the context that i used the term, not your own stupid and meaningless context.

You are fighting a losign battle here. You will nto get anyone to agree with you that Cinciannit is a "small time" program compared to anybody. They may not be on the level of the "Big Six" programs, but are generally considered to be in that second tier of programs, whcih includes the likes of Louisville, Michigan State, UConn, Syracuse, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St, etc, the 7-15 programs. They are most certainly in that area by just about any assessment (save for the ESPN one that mysteriously starts with when Duke became hot again in the mid 80's).

Nope, IMO Cincy is clearly in a tier that would encompass say the 25-40 most recognizable college basketball brands. 7-15 is way too high, they are clearly not in the same league with Syracuse, Uconn, Ohio State, etc.

disagree...our tourney recorcd, tourney apperances, all americans, nba players, final fours, etc etc etc say differntly. You keep acting like what happend 50 years ago is worthless...it's called tradition. UC has it. Certainly as much as the schools you list in tier 2.

You are totally confused, so let me help you out.

You are confusing "brand" with "accomplishments". I completely agree that from an accomplishments perspective, titles won 50 years ago count as much as Uconn's title last year, and that when you add up all of Cincy's tournament appearances, titles, etc. you guys are around the 10th or so most accomplished basketball program of all time. BUT, that is not the issue here. The issue is "brand", which is why i said you are among the 25th-40th most recognizable college basketball brands, not "most accomplished programs".

And when it comes to branding (program prominence), your titles from 50 years ago absolutely do NOT count nearly as much. Especially since they came just before the UCLA dynasty, which elevated college basketball to a "big time" sport. When you guys were winning, it was not a big time sport. That means that the vast majority of college basketball fans do not even know you won those titles and thus it doesn't help raise your brand recognition these days.

And when it comes to brand - which is what pertains to Ohio State's unwillingness to play you - you are NOT in the same elite top 20 or so category with Ohio State. Your recognition factor is in the 25-40 range. Sorry if that bothers you, but ....