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RE: Stanton in the Press
(01-12-2012 12:54 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(01-11-2012 06:59 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(01-10-2012 10:01 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(01-10-2012 08:51 PM)etsugrad99 Wrote:  Stanton got the money for all this stuff with the athletic fee he started after football was dropped. The proverbial "backs of the students."

What is the athletic fee now anyway? $150/semester? It's was somewhere around $125 in the last year or two. Why not take a vote on that and see what the results show? No athletic fee with football, or $150/semester and no football but a good soccer team. Hmmm, wonder how that'd turn out...

But that isn't the question.

For what it takes to run soccer every year you couldn't create a weight room for football.

You could use the soccer team van to shuttle the football staff around....maybe.

No one would be foolish enough to compare the cost of football to the cost of soccer, or to tennis, or to track, or to baseball, or even to basketball one-on-one. Anyone who has looked at this at all knows that college football is by far the most expensive college sport to play anywhere. However, football and basketball are the two sports that bring in the bulk of athletic revenue. They are the only two sports that generate, by far, the most fans. And, no reasonable person can deny that they are the only two sports that give, by wide margins, the biggest windows onto a school. All the minor sports added together pale in comparison in ticket sales, attendance, interest, and exposure. Even in the bad football years at ETSU, many more fans attended the home football games in a season than attend all the home minor sports events combined in a season today. It is a known fact that at the NCAA mid-major/FCS level, all sports are subsidized with football getting the most, basketball the second most, and the rest getting the remainder in descending order. The subsidies come from direct institutional support and student fees. Now, of course, ETSU is now different from its state and former peer regional mid-major/FCS universities. Obviously football is not in the mix, therefore the subsidies are distributed among the remaining sports and the new sport of soccer. However, Dr. Stanton continues to insist to this day that ETSU dropped football to save money, or to stop the $1 million it was "losing" (being subsidized) annually, $500,000.00 of which was coming from academics according to him. But, the very next year after football was dropped, he disagreed with himself and increased athletic spending by some $500,000.00, money which had to come from academics. What in the world is going on here? So, he didn't drop football because it was "losing" money(being subsidized). He dropped football so that the football subsidy could be used to increase the subsidies that were already going to the remaining sports, and, of course, to start up soccer. He has never discussed this reality. And, this subsidy has been increasing ever since with no hope of increased revenue in sight from ticket sales and increased fans with the current line up of sports. The athletic department even claims that they are now running a "balanced budget" department. What could that mean? So, a mid-major, regional state university like ETSU has to decide which sports line up it is going to sponsor through mostly subsidies, or pay to play. All of ETSU's peer TN state schools and former other FCS peer schools have football in their line up of sports. Why not, if a school is going to run a highly subsidized sports program, why not line your sports up in descending order from the ones that will generate the most revenue and fan support to the ones that will generate the least - that is if you want your athletic program to be the best window onto your school that it can be.

So, ETSU did not drop football to save money, or to eliminate the $1 million the program was "losing" (being subsidized). It did not even drop football in order to take basketball to a higher level. So, what was this all about?

In 2004-05, ETSU subsidized its athletic budget with direct institutional support and student fees by *67.89%. In 2009-10, ETSU subsidized its athletic budget by *77.56%. What do these numbers suggest about the state of the ETSU athletics? More fans, more revenue, more TV money, more exposure, more community interest, a more popular basketball program, a better conference, more money game revenue, a better overall athletic program without football, et al?

*USA Today NCAA college athletic finance database

Average attendance at football games, was what 5,000? I doubt it was that but it is a nice number.

5 home games

5 X 5,000 = 25,000 total attendance

That's some community interest right there

More fans?
More revenue?

Since there isn't enough fans (and there never will be), there isn't enough money to cover the massive expense of football.

Question was, what do the numbers suggest about the state of ETSU athletics TODAY, not 2003. They're spending $11 million annually on TODAY'S product as opposed to $6.7 million the last year of football. Are more people coming to ETSU's athletic events, thus generating more ticket revenue, TODAY than in 2003? If so, then there's some justification for the 64% increase in the HIGHLY SUBSIDIZED, pay to play athletic spending. Show your numbers.
01-12-2012 08:20 AM
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