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RE: What will it take for a new 16-team ACC...
I'm slightly confused about what it is we are talking about in this thread.

I am trying to follow the argument about "control" of a given territory. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems as though the argument is about whether the ACC expanding by taking Rutgers and UConn would ever be able to challenge for control of the northeast (NE) market against a B1G including ND. Is this correct?

Now, if my assessment was correct then I am curious as to what attendance has to do with "control" of the market/territory. It seems to me that it is television ratings which are really driving realignment. That being said, it is nice to have a team who fills the stadium but that does not offer incentive to a network. Thus, a better measure of whether a conference can control a territory would be their respective team's television ratings.

I have a chart on this that I will post separately. I wish that it included information about teams who are currently in consideration rather than three teams who have already been taken by the B1G and ACC, however, I think it's at least a decent enough discussion point for the topic at hand.
09-27-2011 11:39 AM
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RE: What will it take for a new 16-team ACC...
Are the TV ratings the same, higher, lower in years after or before this?
What time of the day were the games played (afternoon, primetime ABC, etc)
Who were the opponents?
What were the records for the teams involved at the time they played and what were the final records?
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RE: What will it take for a new 16-team ACC...
(09-27-2011 11:39 AM)ndlutz Wrote:  I'm slightly confused about what it is we are talking about in this thread.

I am trying to follow the argument about "control" of a given territory. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems as though the argument is about whether the ACC expanding by taking Rutgers and UConn would ever be able to challenge for control of the northeast (NE) market against a B1G including ND. Is this correct?

That is my contention. If ND and PSU were in the B1G, would games involving those teams (say PSU vs. Wisconsin or ND vs. Iowa) be favored in 'NE' TV markets like NYC, Philly, Boston, DC over an ACC game involving say Miami vs. Maryland or FSU versus Pitt.

(09-27-2011 11:39 AM)ndlutz Wrote:  Now, if my assessment was correct then I am curious as to what attendance has to do with "control" of the market/territory. It seems to me that it is television ratings which are really driving realignment. That being said, it is nice to have a team who fills the stadium but that does not offer incentive to a network. Thus, a better measure of whether a conference can control a territory would be their respective team's television ratings.

I have a chart on this that I will post separately. I wish that it included information about teams who are currently in consideration rather than three teams who have already been taken by the B1G and ACC, however, I think it's at least a decent enough discussion point for the topic at hand.

TV rating in new markets and/or brands that have national names. For example, while everyone knows that Nebraska has a small local market (Nebraska is about 1.8 million people), they have a national brand.

In addition, TV ratings can fluctuate from year to year so it is better to have this information over multiple years - including when the university in question goes through a down cycle - to truly know what potential value a school brings.

I agree in a sense that attendance in and of itself does not really determine the true value of a school but it certainly does help to know because attendance is associated with merchandise sales, athletic budget, etc.
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RE: What will it take for a new 16-team ACC...
The number presented as the TV rating above is the average rating of nationally televised games from the 2009 season. This obviously does not speak to who the opponents were, what time the game was played, or anything else. It is simply the sheer average of the ratings. The number in parentheses is the number of nationally televised games that year.
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(09-28-2011 01:43 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  The number presented as the TV rating above is the average rating of nationally televised games from the 2009 season. This obviously does not speak to who the opponents were, what time the game was played, or anything else. It is simply the sheer average of the ratings. The number in parentheses is the number of nationally televised games that year.

The only point I was trying to make (and probably failed miserably) is that Pitt had great TV numbers in 2009 but that was probably a function of the great year they had. Two games were on ABC (including the ND night game) and the final game against Cincy was the lone game at that time (?) and for the BE championship.

On the other hand, SU was going through one of its worst FB cycles ever.

Would Pitt's TV number have been as bad as SUs if Pitt would have gone through that down cycle? What about if Pitt slips and is 6-6 on an annual basis?

It's better to have these TV numbers over multiple seasons to even out these parameters which I am sure the TV networks have.


Anyway, I am definitely going to be interested in seeing the new ACC TV map for ABC regionally televised games when Pitt and SU enter the league. I will want to find out how many times ACC games will be shown in Pittsburgh (and upstate NY and New England) versus a Big 10 game.
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