So basically this article says that USF, UC, and Louisville will be forced to head down to a non-AQ conference

But then brings up that Houston and SMU will need to be bought up from the Non-AQ to complete the Big10?

(02-15-2011 10:24 AM)Cardsshark Wrote:  Texas just fascinates me.... it's like a soap opera.

When Nebraska and Colorado bolted. It seemed to me as an outsider looking in what made the most sence was adding Houston and TCU and getting back to 12, since those are the two largest markets in B-12 footprint. But absent that BYU and TCU would have made sence as well. Clearly the BE and B-12 have different attitudes about expansion. The BE seems to be more market driven and the B-12 seems to believe that they can shape markets.

I suppose it depends on whether you believe that markets are environmental or something that can be molded. Maybe it's because Texas is such a fast growing State that the perception is that markets are fluid. Interesting.....

Big 12 is market oriented as well, but adding UH and TCU with all 4 of UT, A&M, BU & TT is simply covering markets you already own and reducing the revenue per school.

Big 12 Market Situation:
DFW- Every tv set is owned by the Big 12. TCU adds no additional sets as all their main interest is based in DFW

Houston- See DFW. UH adds no additional sets.

These schools make some decent impact tv market wise but not for a league that has 4-5 teams already saturating those markets.

The Big 12 also controls KC, Ok City, Tulsa, San Antonio, Austin, West Texas, and competes with the Big Ten in Iowa and St. Louis.

We need to add markets and the candidates that add the most in that regard are BYU (#31 salt lake city + mormons everywhere) and Louisville (#49).

Arkansas offers little in tv markets but strong tradition rich program with rivalry games and geographic fit would make perfect sense if Arky was interested.

And every league wants ND.

(02-15-2011 10:15 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Ok first and foremost Louisville will not be left out, and if those three were to be left out they will survive. The Big 12 mentions IF they expand they will not pursue teams from Texas which makes total sense, but WHY would you pursue teams out west when the markets you need are in the east??? I honestly think if the Big12-2 came to Louisville and offered they would turn them down, BUT if they offered with a Florida connection then I think they would take it. I think with the combination of Louisville and say either Central Florida who already has ties playing in Texas and South Florida would give them the boost they are lacking amongst their current markets.

I know it sounds like I am tooting Louisville's horn here, but can you really believe they are going to be left behind if they are out there for the taken???

I think as long as some form of the Big 12 or BE is around we will see the Cards in the BCS AQ ranks. If the BE was decimated I assume the B12 would be rebuilding after losing schools so UL would make a lot of sense. I personally would love to have you guys in the Big 12.

(02-15-2011 09:35 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Lost me the split second I saw Baylor to the "Pac-16".

Right or wrong since Baylor is a secular school they will be excluded. The conference (Pac-12) as a whole does not want a religious affiliated school in the mix. See BYU, TCU, Baylor, Etc.

Not saying it is right but it is FACT. This was learned this past summer when the Big 12 almost folded.

Baylor's only serious hope of an AQ is keeping the Big 12 alive along with the Big 12 North. I will say there might be a 5% chance of a Big East invite but those are the only choices.

SEC: No
ACC: No
Pac-?: No
Big-"10": No

As for the take on the Big 10. If the super conference comes to pass Notre Dame will be added. They value their indy status but they will see the writing on the wall and realize if there are on the outside looking in they will get passed by (even more than they have now).

Oh and one MINOR HITCH......

Houston will NEVER be in a conference with Texas again. Too much baggage on both sides. If Houston goes to the Big 12 it will be a conference w/o Texas. Book it!

Baylor lost its ticket in any kind of pac-XX when Colorado took that spot. I don't think they have the heave-ho to oust Tech or Oklahoma State, but I'll leave it to Sammy11 to clarify my thought on that.

Edit: more thoughts on the article, the author states the pac-xx should have tried to go for the kill. Hello! IT did try.

Also the author thinks the pac-xx should go after the Texas four. Is he not paying attention? A&M wants no part of the Pac-xx, and Baylor lost its spot to Oklahoma state I would assume (If the Texoma four happens)

Okay this is a troll of a article. The Big 10 adds Iowa State? Really? This guy is no better than adding teams to a conference because of its proxmity to other teams. He has no clue or understanding behind the reasons of expansion at all.

Then he splits up Kansas and Kansas state (KSU to SEC? TCU TO SEC? what the heck is going on here)

(02-15-2011 08:02 AM)TimbotheKnight Wrote:  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/60909...r-be-eaten


I know it is bleacher, but it list some possibilites that could cut current AQ schools back to C-USA.

This article doesn't make any sense. The basis for all this expansion is to increase the % of the pie for each of these super conference's (from 17% to 25%). The only problem is that to accomplish that they each take on more mouths to feed. They only remove 3 schools from the BCS trough (and also add 2 more in the processes).

It's a lot of movement to basically remove one school from the BCS pie.

If anything like this happened, it would be much more of a blood bath for bottom feeding BCS schools. Of the BE and Big12 schools, I'd say maybe 8 would get absorbed into the super 4 and the rest would be left out in the cold.

(02-15-2011 10:51 AM)superdeluxe Wrote:  Baylor lost its ticket in any kind of pac-XX when Colorado took that spot. I don't think they have the heave-ho to oust Tech or Oklahoma State, but I'll leave it to Sammy11 to clarify my thought on that.

Not saying it was/is right but I am willing to bet Sammy will confirm that the Pac-Whatever is resistant to any religious affiliated school.

(02-15-2011 11:02 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Not saying it was/is right but I am willing to bet Sammy will confirm that the Pac-Whatever is resistant to any religious affiliated school.

Of course it is, but if the pac-xx did not grab UTAH, and was at 11. I think Baylor might have been the price to pay to take home the hot chick named Texas. But now that is all gone because you have four spots left.

(02-15-2011 11:11 AM)superdeluxe Wrote:  

(02-15-2011 11:02 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Not saying it was/is right but I am willing to bet Sammy will confirm that the Pac-Whatever is resistant to any religious affiliated school.

Of course it is, but if the pac-xx did not grab UTAH, and was at 11. I think Baylor might have been the price to pay to take home the hot chick named Texas. But now that is all gone because you have four spots left.

Nope. You can name any number of schools they would pick over Baylor. Not to get in a back and forth about this but you are missing the point.

PAC-? = No secular schools.

They would have brought in BYU years ago if that was not the case.

Bleacher report guys are no different than the people on this message board. It's just speculation and what a fan thinks could happen. He even writes the article as if it's in the works...and it is not even close.

The Four 16 team super conferences will not work. While many think it's what makes the most sense...it'd be a night mare from within the conferences to manage and TV deals would be a mess. Bowls would be a mess and the overall college football landscape would change completely.

Basically...these super conferences would eventually force the NCAA to divide those teams into the new BCS division. Anyone left out would be mid-major and below...basically FBS. It's funny...because many that call themselves FBS aren't in a BCS conference, as it is.

I think both the Big East and Big 12 will expand and get to 12. The Big 12 may keep it's word about not expanding in Texas. But some believe that there could be an exception made for TCU, now. Getting to 12 may end up as the priority. If they can't lure Arky back...BYU and TCU doesn't sound too bad, if you're the Big 12.

Otherwise...where else do you look to if you're the Big 12? No ACC school will play in the Big 12. Big East? Louisville? Possibly. What about within Florida? USF and UCF? Highly unlikely. But two big markets and a new playground in Florida for the Big 12 could be attractive, who knows?

But honestly the most sense from the Big 12 may be to just make an exception with TCU and take them back from the Big East (and they would bolt back in a heartbeat) and take BYU and be done with it.

(02-15-2011 11:22 AM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  Bleacher report guys are no different than the people on this message board. It's just speculation and what a fan thinks could happen. He even writes the article as if it's in the works...and it is not even close.

The Four 16 team super conferences will not work. While many think it's what makes the most sense...it'd be a night mare from within the conferences to manage and TV deals would be a mess. Bowls would be a mess and the overall college football landscape would change completely.

Basically...these super conferences would eventually force the NCAA to divide those teams into the new BCS division. Anyone left out would be mid-major and below...basically FBS. It's funny...because many that call themselves FBS aren't in a BCS conference, as it is.

I think both the Big East and Big 12 will expand and get to 12. The Big 12 may keep it's word about not expanding in Texas. But some believe that there could be an exception made for TCU, now. Getting to 12 may end up as the priority. If they can't lure Arky back...BYU and TCU doesn't sound too bad, if you're the Big 12.

Otherwise...where else do you look to if you're the Big 12? No ACC school will play in the Big 12. Big East? Louisville? Possibly. What about within Florida? USF and UCF? Highly unlikely. But two big markets and a new playground in Florida for the Big 12 could be attractive, who knows?

The Big 12 may just make an exception with TCU and take them back from the Big East (and they would bolt back in a heartbeat) and BYU and be done with it.

TCU has finally broken free why would they go back hat in hand to Texas now? Never going to happen so long as Texas is there.

I agree that the Big 12 goes back to 12 but it will be with BYU and possibly Boise (even if it is in FB only).

This move along with TCU (and hopefully Houston/UCF) in the Big East effectively kills off the Non-AQ threat. At least for the next 5-10 years and by then they will have gone through the latest evaluation period and any new threats will just be starting the uphill climb.