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If Nova says yes, I will be interested in seeing their attendance numbers. Will they be like a Northwestern or Vandy or will it be more in line with a Duke?

It's nice to say you have that market but who will actually be watching. That's the big question.
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If you build it they will come. Maybe only 2 of them, but they will come.
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(01-31-2011 09:50 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Someone posted this over on are rival site about possibly getting 15million per football school as well in the first post mentioning the ESPN has guaranteed no less than 10million per school.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=17&f=2759&t=7131234

Hopefully the copy paste works for me for some time I end up having issues in doing so, and I am going to copy this in another thread as well for it talks about Nova moving up also.

There's no real basis for that $15 million per year number - that was just a random number thrown out. I could possibly see the all-sports schools getting $10 million - I'd see that as the very upper limit and the league ought to be ecstatic if it got that figure. Realistically, a doubling of today's TV revenue (new revenue of $7 - 8 million per all-sports school) is most likely. As for any "guarantee" from ESPN, I highly doubt that's the case. Those guys are hardball negotiators to the core, so that's not really how they operate. They have a lot of money, but that doesn't mean they just throw it around. To the contrary, they're extremely calculated.
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RE: Current Big East TV Contract
(02-01-2011 08:29 AM)Smokin Pirate Wrote:  If Nova says yes, I will be interested in seeing their attendance numbers. Will they be like a Northwestern or Vandy or will it be more in line with a Duke?

It's nice to say you have that market but who will actually be watching. That's the big question.

With respect to Villanova, the market doesn't matter. They are currently a member of the BE, so if they want to move up in football, then the BE will be open to them.

As for the market, I don't think Villanova will bring much. To the extent that Philly watches college football at all, it's really in support of Penn State. The main value that Villanova brings is a 10th football team without having to split another share of basketball revenue. Since basketball revenue is higher in the BE than football revenue, it could very well be the case that 10/17 membership with Villanova yields more money per school than 10/18 without Villanova and with UCF or Houston. The BE is what it is - BB is more valuable than FB in this conference and it likely always will be. I know a lot of people on this board believe that's a bad thing, but the BE has to work with what it has in terms of assets. Schools like Penn State and Notre Dame aren't walking through that door, and those are really the only types of schools that can truly prop up football revenue that people on this board would like to see. Adding C-USA schools aren't going to move the mark there. There's a lot of fuzzy math going on - if you were to believe UCF, Houston and ECU boosters, they would raise revenue for the BE in a manner that would be in excess of SEVERAL TIMES the value of the ENTIRE new C-USA TV contract. Seriously - that's what would have to happen for the BE to get up to $10 million per team in a 10 or 12 team football league. So, if they were that valuable, then why hasn't C-USA been getting paid like that already? And UCF or Houston or ECU alone in the BE is worth more than all 12 C-USA teams put together that they're a member of now? That's Enron-worthy accounting. Now, that's not to say UCF, Houston and/or ECU can't provide some value to the BE, but people get taken a lot more seriously if you're realistic about what you bring to the table.
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Unless ESPN throws out a number well beyond even Tags/BE's models and it requires Nova, UCF, Houston within it to guarantee the dollars, then I sit tight and go about it on our own timeline and in the manner to listen to ESPn/Fox/Comcast/TBS...whoever else that wants to sit down within reason to present their proposals.

I'm sure if ESPN offers a very nice number with their preferred expansion teams they will want that number confidential and deal is off if we try to shop it around, so its a tight rope to walk with that. The safer bet is to not listen to just 1 tv provider but all of them along with the internal research and shop it out.
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RE: Current Big East TV Contract
(02-01-2011 10:27 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-01-2011 08:29 AM)Smokin Pirate Wrote:  If Nova says yes, I will be interested in seeing their attendance numbers. Will they be like a Northwestern or Vandy or will it be more in line with a Duke?

It's nice to say you have that market but who will actually be watching. That's the big question.

With respect to Villanova, the market doesn't matter. They are currently a member of the BE, so if they want to move up in football, then the BE will be open to them.

As for the market, I don't think Villanova will bring much. To the extent that Philly watches college football at all, it's really in support of Penn State. The main value that Villanova brings is a 10th football team without having to split another share of basketball revenue. Since basketball revenue is higher in the BE than football revenue, it could very well be the case that 10/17 membership with Villanova yields more money per school than 10/18 without Villanova and with UCF or Houston. The BE is what it is - BB is more valuable than FB in this conference and it likely always will be. I know a lot of people on this board believe that's a bad thing, but the BE has to work with what it has in terms of assets. Schools like Penn State and Notre Dame aren't walking through that door, and those are really the only types of schools that can truly prop up football revenue that people on this board would like to see. Adding C-USA schools aren't going to move the mark there. There's a lot of fuzzy math going on - if you were to believe UCF, Houston and ECU boosters, they would raise revenue for the BE in a manner that would be in excess of SEVERAL TIMES the value of the ENTIRE new C-USA TV contract. Seriously - that's what would have to happen for the BE to get up to $10 million per team in a 10 or 12 team football league. So, if they were that valuable, then why hasn't C-USA been getting paid like that already? And UCF or Houston or ECU alone in the BE is worth more than all 12 C-USA teams put together that they're a member of now? That's Enron-worthy accounting. Now, that's not to say UCF, Houston and/or ECU can't provide some value to the BE, but people get taken a lot more seriously if you're realistic about what you bring to the table.

Frank,
Your comparison of UH in CUSA vs UH in BE is apples and oranges. Houston and it's market can't bring $10 million contract to CUSA because UH is not bringing the products of WVU, PITT, USF, Georgetown, UCONN, Louisville, etc.
The same goes for UCF and ECU.

UH in a TV contract is equal to the some of it's parts.
It's parts in the BE add up to more than it does in CUSA. You can't argue that.
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(02-01-2011 10:33 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Unless ESPN throws out a number well beyond even Tags/BE's models and it requires Nova, UCF, Houston within it to guarantee the dollars, then I sit tight and go about it on our own timeline and in the manner to listen to ESPn/Fox/Comcast/TBS...whoever else that wants to sit down within reason to present their proposals.

I'm sure if ESPN offers a very nice number with their preferred expansion teams they will want that number confidential and deal is off if we try to shop it around, so its a tight rope to walk with that. The safer bet is to not listen to just 1 tv provider but all of them along with the internal research and shop it out.

Absolutely, this is the plan I am sure.
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(02-01-2011 10:35 AM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  
(02-01-2011 10:27 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-01-2011 08:29 AM)Smokin Pirate Wrote:  If Nova says yes, I will be interested in seeing their attendance numbers. Will they be like a Northwestern or Vandy or will it be more in line with a Duke?

It's nice to say you have that market but who will actually be watching. That's the big question.

With respect to Villanova, the market doesn't matter. They are currently a member of the BE, so if they want to move up in football, then the BE will be open to them.

As for the market, I don't think Villanova will bring much. To the extent that Philly watches college football at all, it's really in support of Penn State. The main value that Villanova brings is a 10th football team without having to split another share of basketball revenue. Since basketball revenue is higher in the BE than football revenue, it could very well be the case that 10/17 membership with Villanova yields more money per school than 10/18 without Villanova and with UCF or Houston. The BE is what it is - BB is more valuable than FB in this conference and it likely always will be. I know a lot of people on this board believe that's a bad thing, but the BE has to work with what it has in terms of assets. Schools like Penn State and Notre Dame aren't walking through that door, and those are really the only types of schools that can truly prop up football revenue that people on this board would like to see. Adding C-USA schools aren't going to move the mark there. There's a lot of fuzzy math going on - if you were to believe UCF, Houston and ECU boosters, they would raise revenue for the BE in a manner that would be in excess of SEVERAL TIMES the value of the ENTIRE new C-USA TV contract. Seriously - that's what would have to happen for the BE to get up to $10 million per team in a 10 or 12 team football league. So, if they were that valuable, then why hasn't C-USA been getting paid like that already? And UCF or Houston or ECU alone in the BE is worth more than all 12 C-USA teams put together that they're a member of now? That's Enron-worthy accounting. Now, that's not to say UCF, Houston and/or ECU can't provide some value to the BE, but people get taken a lot more seriously if you're realistic about what you bring to the table.

Frank,
Your comparison of UH in CUSA vs UH in BE is apples and oranges. Houston and it's market can't bring $10 million contract to CUSA because UH is not bringing the products of WVU, PITT, USF, Georgetown, UCONN, Louisville, etc.
The same goes for UCF and ECU.

UH in a TV contract is equal to the some of it's parts.
It's parts in the BE add up to more than it does in CUSA. You can't argue that.

Correct the only team that is a Non AQ that the BE could get were They would not be losing money is TCU.

ECU and Co. cant do that.
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(02-01-2011 12:52 PM)Cromie Wrote:  
(02-01-2011 10:35 AM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  
(02-01-2011 10:27 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-01-2011 08:29 AM)Smokin Pirate Wrote:  If Nova says yes, I will be interested in seeing their attendance numbers. Will they be like a Northwestern or Vandy or will it be more in line with a Duke?

It's nice to say you have that market but who will actually be watching. That's the big question.

With respect to Villanova, the market doesn't matter. They are currently a member of the BE, so if they want to move up in football, then the BE will be open to them.

As for the market, I don't think Villanova will bring much. To the extent that Philly watches college football at all, it's really in support of Penn State. The main value that Villanova brings is a 10th football team without having to split another share of basketball revenue. Since basketball revenue is higher in the BE than football revenue, it could very well be the case that 10/17 membership with Villanova yields more money per school than 10/18 without Villanova and with UCF or Houston. The BE is what it is - BB is more valuable than FB in this conference and it likely always will be. I know a lot of people on this board believe that's a bad thing, but the BE has to work with what it has in terms of assets. Schools like Penn State and Notre Dame aren't walking through that door, and those are really the only types of schools that can truly prop up football revenue that people on this board would like to see. Adding C-USA schools aren't going to move the mark there. There's a lot of fuzzy math going on - if you were to believe UCF, Houston and ECU boosters, they would raise revenue for the BE in a manner that would be in excess of SEVERAL TIMES the value of the ENTIRE new C-USA TV contract. Seriously - that's what would have to happen for the BE to get up to $10 million per team in a 10 or 12 team football league. So, if they were that valuable, then why hasn't C-USA been getting paid like that already? And UCF or Houston or ECU alone in the BE is worth more than all 12 C-USA teams put together that they're a member of now? That's Enron-worthy accounting. Now, that's not to say UCF, Houston and/or ECU can't provide some value to the BE, but people get taken a lot more seriously if you're realistic about what you bring to the table.

Frank,
Your comparison of UH in CUSA vs UH in BE is apples and oranges. Houston and it's market can't bring $10 million contract to CUSA because UH is not bringing the products of WVU, PITT, USF, Georgetown, UCONN, Louisville, etc.
The same goes for UCF and ECU.

UH in a TV contract is equal to the some of it's parts.
It's parts in the BE add up to more than it does in CUSA. You can't argue that.

Correct the only team that is a Non AQ that the BE could get were They would not be losing money is TCU.

ECU and Co. cant do that.

Do you know this for a fact, or is this just an uneducated guess?
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RE: Current Big East TV Contract
As for the topic at hand, the current BE contract is as follows

football - ESPN 6 years / $80 million
Basketball ESPN - 6 years / $138 million
CBS 6 years / $54 million

Breakdown on average football teams get $3.67 million per year and basketball only schools get about $2 million per year.

One thing I do not know is how these contracts are paid out. For example, most contracts are backloaded, meaning we may not have been getting the $39 million a year our contracts suggest, but possibly a smaller amount for the previous years, with a larger amount the last two years. Something lese that must be considered if they do decide to renew with ESPN: make sure we get the money due under the old contract.
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