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^ That is a true statement, 32,848 fans did come to Gillette to see FCS football. The venue had lot to due with it and the Kraft Family have been very supportive. Please remember as others said, it takes time for perspectives to change. The UMass fans perspective comes from Basketball and the A10 is a strong basketball conference. We are actually in four conferences, A10 - Basketball, Hockey East - Hockey, CAA - Lacrosse and Football, and the ECAC, not sure of the sport/s.
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(11-30-2010 07:00 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Football-only is fine for the present. We already have that with Temple, so what's wrong with having another school with that arrangement? At least we get balanced divisions then. it expands the footprint and helps the leagues perception as more than an Ohio/Michigan bus league.

What's wrong with that is you split what little TV revenue and ESPN exposure we have with yet another member. We will also only have three bowl tie-ins for 14 teams. There is no conference larger than us in 1-A football with so few bowls. This conference already has enough mouths to feed.
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(11-30-2010 08:06 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Big benefit to UMass comes from getting more recognition as being the main campus of the University of Massachusetts, instead of being UMass-Amherst. Kind of like Buffalo simply being called Buffalo by most of the country instead of "SUNY at Buffalo", which makes them sound like a branch campus of some other university.

Anyone using 'SUNY at Buffalo' or 'SUNY-Buffalo' is in error, ignorant, or willfully using it derogatorily anyway. It's not an accepted name in SUNY or UB communications. The only legal name within SUNY is State University of New York at Buffalo, while the only official short-forms are UB, Buffalo, or University at Buffalo, THE State University of New York, (Yes, UB has pulled the same self-created attempt at separation from the state higher-ed system that THE Ohio State U. and THE Penn State U have done).

Official 'U of X at X' names aren't so negative when you consider U. of Massachusetts, Amherst, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and University of California, Los Angeles. Gaining a rep as being big-time helps establish whatever identity you want to be known by.
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How is non conference TV revenue allocated. Pretty sure a game or two at Gillette would be attractive. Heck a few conference games at Gillette would be nice.
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(11-30-2010 09:11 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(11-30-2010 07:00 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Football-only is fine for the present. We already have that with Temple, so what's wrong with having another school with that arrangement? At least we get balanced divisions then. it expands the footprint and helps the leagues perception as more than an Ohio/Michigan bus league.

What's wrong with that is you split what little TV revenue and ESPN exposure we have with yet another member. We will also only have three bowl tie-ins for 14 teams. There is no conference larger than us in 1-A football with so few bowls. This conference already has enough mouths to feed.

The bowl situation is always fluid. There are always cities looking to support a new bowl. Orlando wanted a 3rd bowl and LA wanted one for 2010 but they were each denied. Toronto would have kept going if the BE didn't bolt. FBS teams would increase to 124 with the additions of South Alabama, UTSA, Texas St, and now possibly UMass. We could see an additional bowl or 2 created, and MAC affiliations gained if some current WAC bowls dump that league.
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(11-30-2010 09:16 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  How is non conference TV revenue allocated. Pretty sure a game or two at Gillette would be attractive. Heck a few conference games at Gillette would be nice.

I'd LOVE a football weekend at Foxboro of Buffalo @ UMass followed by the Bills @ Pats that Sunday. That might be a clever marketing event.
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(11-30-2010 09:16 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  How is non conference TV revenue allocated. Pretty sure a game or two at Gillette would be attractive. Heck a few conference games at Gillette would be nice.

Does anyone know if the MAC Regional TV package (Saturday national GOTW) we have with ESPN currently broadcasts in markets in the Northeast? If not I would think adding UMass will now get the games on out there as well. Also, I would think the MAC would be on the lookout for a fourth bowl. Keep in mind the WAC might not even have enough teams to remain FBS and the Big East is expanding. I would say it is just a matter of time before a fourth and possible fifth bowl affiliation come into the picture.
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If the WAC folds, we would be in a god position to pick up one of their bowls. We continuously have the most eligible teams beyond our alloted number.

This whole UMass business seems to me part of a plan for something greater. I'm not just talking about 16 football teams, but 16 basketball teams as well. bringing up Umass and two other teams gives us great leverage to force them to bring in all sports along with Temple. Keep these football-only contracts on a renewing basis, and once you have four teams simply threaten not to renew any of them unless they join for all sports. Temple wouldn't make the move on their own, and neither would UMass, but as a group it doesn't seem as bad. If even one decides to do it, it changes things for the others, especially if they all come from the same basketball conference. Maybe this is the MAC's plan. Maybe I'm giving the MAC too much credit here.
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(11-30-2010 10:15 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  If the WAC folds, we would be in a god position to pick up one of their bowls. We continuously have the most eligible teams beyond our alloted number.

This whole UMass business seems to me part of a plan for something greater. I'm not just talking about 16 football teams, but 16 basketball teams as well. bringing up Umass and two other teams gives us great leverage to force them to bring in all sports along with Temple. Keep these football-only contracts on a renewing basis, and once you have four teams simply threaten not to renew any of them unless they join for all sports. Temple wouldn't make the move on their own, and neither would UMass, but as a group it doesn't seem as bad. If even one decides to do it, it changes things for the others, especially if they all come from the same basketball conference. Maybe this is the MAC's plan. Maybe I'm giving the MAC too much credit here.

No I think you are on to something. The MAC doesn't have the mass of a BCS conference to just gobble up any team it wants unders its terms. However, over time the seats at the BCS table will continue to fill and then conferences like the MAC will have more leverage. Especially for East coast schools there are only so many options.
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I don't bye that the MAC would do anything to force full membership.

What has every episode of FBS movement and speculated movement, and FCS move-ups, been about? Football. We've learned that even Kansas' basketball panache meant jack when the Big 12 was threatened to be torn apart. They were worried about being left out of a power conference throughout, and ended up giving up cash to stay associated with Longhorn football.

It's all about football, and the MAC has a perfect 12 for all-sports today. That's not to say the other sports aren't important for MAC presidents, or that we would not invite 2 if they were open to joining, but there can't be some master plan for an 'all-or-nothing, leave the A-10. Or else'. The effect on losing positive football relationships with potentially valuable associate members would not be prudent.
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