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RE: Big East looks to expand
(11-01-2010 09:14 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(11-01-2010 09:04 AM)brista21 Wrote:  
(11-01-2010 08:57 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  
(11-01-2010 08:34 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Thanks for the link. It looks like the 12/20 is really being considered. So we would be adding:

TCU
Houston
Central Florida
Villanove or Temple

Memphis and East Carolina or not mentioned! What's you take? 04-cheers

From what little I know about Houston, this looks like the best hope for long term stability. The only negative would be if the Longhorn Conference imploded the next day and we could have had Kansas, KSU, Missouri and ISU instead. And even then, that may not be better in the long run.

If the Texas Ten/Longhorn Conference/Big 12/Big XII-2 imploded the day after it would mean the dawn of the superconference and it would be time for a split and time to add those 4 schools probably as the Big 16. I think a conference with
Big 16 East - UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers, Temple, Pitt, WVU, USF, UCF
Big 16 West - UL, Cincy, Mizzou, Iowa State, Kansas, K-State, TCU, Houston
would be a very, very good one.

Spot on brista21! I agree 100%.

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This is probably true. But we would still have invited at least three programs into the mix that may not have been there otherwise. Not sure if that help or hurts us really. But it definitely makes it more complicated and interesting.
11-01-2010 09:49 AM
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RE: Big East looks to expand
(11-01-2010 09:41 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  
(11-01-2010 09:32 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Or the split happens, Frank. 03-2thumbsup

Some major action is imminent. The BE football schools are in a critical point for their future right now and have to make some change sooner rather than later or their future is in jeopardy.

I agree and a split at this juncture is much more plausible than in previous times due to the old guard almost all being gone. Plus there's the added benefit that both sides have full-enough rosters of schools to continue successfully. In the end it comes down to the Catholic schools wanting to keep the Big East intact more than they feel the league is already way too big. If they decide staying together is more valuable we'll expand and if they really dig in today then we could see a split announced at last.
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(11-01-2010 09:41 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  I agree, at this point the only thing factual is a meeting is being held in Philly tomorrow....."most likely" that its about expansion, but details are all speculative coming from the NY Post.

FWIW as I said previously, Lenn Robbins is very good and very knowledgable. Unlike much of the Post their sports staff really does a great job and doesn't just sensationalize like the rest of the staff does.
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(11-01-2010 09:46 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
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(11-01-2010 09:28 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  The Big East is not going to wait. Memphis has had time to improve just as TCU, Utah, BYU, Boise and has done little to nothing.

How many Big East schools are at that level right now, Buck? And they have all the advantages of BCS inclusion.

Not to be disrespectful, Gray, but every BE school is far and away a better fb school than Memphis. Its not Memphis' right of passage to be invited to the BE.

The BE wants two things:
1.A larger tv market(more tv revenue) ie Phil,Dallas/FtWorth,Orlando,Houston
2.At least one more league game(less scheduling difficulty and no big payoffs to weak OOC schools)
Yes, the objectives are about money.
11-01-2010 09:55 AM
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I think the Big East Football schools should just take a "you need us more than we need you" attitude with the BBall schools.

Pick up TCU (9), UCF (10), Houston (11), and ECU (12). Those are 4 well respected football programs that won't "water-down" the Big East. You get your foot into Texas, and you become as big as the ACC in Florida (FSU and Miami do NOT have the fan support they had 10 years ago).

If the 8 BBall schools want to form some sort of "Super-Conference" with the 12 that's great, but if not, so be it.
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RE: Big East looks to expand
(11-01-2010 09:41 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(11-01-2010 09:28 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  The Big East is not going to wait. Memphis has had time to improve just as TCU, Utah, BYU, Boise and has done little to nothing.

How many Big East schools are at that level right now, Buck? And they have all the advantages of BCS inclusion.

Pitt lost by 3 AT Utah with a new QB. We don't know how schools would do this season against Boise, TCU, etc. but it would be a safe bet all would do better, much better than Memphis. Besides, the BE has had schools perform better over the years than those programs and BE schools are BE schools. Memphis is not.
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Best all around candidates would be TCU, Memphis, ECU, and UCF in my opinion.

From being in a conference with Houston for a long time I think you would be disapointed in their addition. They really don't deliver that market and fan support is not close to other candidates.
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ECU is going to have some serious questions to answer about conference affiliation if C-USA gets even weaker from a BE raid. As it is it is a horrible fit for us, and if multiple C-USA teams were gone I don't know if it would be worth it to remain there. I don't exactly know what the answer would be in the short term though. Maybe indy until the eventual move of a bunch of 1AA's up.
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West Virginia AD, Oliver Luck is very familiar with Houston from his days running the Houston Dynamo and the Houston Sports Authority. His opinion will outweigh yours, TigerPete.
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I think if your gonna get up to 20 teams or maybe 20+ teams, you need to call it out what it is and that's really two conferences. Thus, it brings into play the funnel concept which allows the old school big east school's to keep an eastern identity by separating the leagues on geography but gives the football school's 12 teams. You got a nice base of:

big east: prov, st j , shall, nova, gtown, uconn, cuse, rut, pitt, wvu,

big central: Dep, mar, ND, cincy, lville, memphis, ECU, UCF, USF, TCU

you could switch some teams around and/or add smu + houston to get to 14 football but no more than 12 in each league...also like adding umass and st louisU
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