(06-24-2010 08:15 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(06-24-2010 04:20 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  

(06-24-2010 08:54 AM)armour248 Wrote:  Never very encouraging when we are recruiting guys who only have offers from ISU and SIU...especially when it's at the QB position.

Couldn't agree more.

Total bull.... We are not grabbing 4 or 5 star type players. I could give a **** who offers. ND took the QB from Lake Forest last year and I feel Western Mich got a better QB (kid from Marian Catholic).

You can see alot just by watching,(Yogi) this QB has the best passing mechanics Kill has signed. (did not get a good look at Wesson)...he has better mechanics than Harnish,Lynch,Grady, & Hill coming out of HS aqnd he has good measurables.

A head coach should never select a kid by who is offering him. If the coach thinks he can play, you get him. If we followed a philosophy of considering who the other offers are, we would have never taken Michael Turner, PJ, Rein Diem, etc etc etc.

Judging a kid by his offers implies that recruiting is a perfectly efficient process when it clearly is not. There are tons of successful quarterbacks who were lightly recruited, including Scott Tolzien at Wisconsin and Kirk Cousins at Michigan State to name two. Or take some of the lightly recruited guys on our team: Chad Spann, Jason Schepler, Willie Clark, Trevor Olson, Joe Pawlak, Sean Progar, Alan Baxter, Pat Schiller, Tyrone Clark, Mike Krause, Tracy Wilson. These guys had few offers or none at all and they're pretty good. Jordan Lynch is another one. He hasn't played in a game yet but he sure passed the eyeball test in spring camp. I trust the coaches in their evaluations.

(06-25-2010 10:47 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Judging a kid by his offers implies that recruiting is a perfectly efficient process when it clearly is not. There are tons of successful quarterbacks who were lightly recruited, including Scott Tolzien at Wisconsin and Kirk Cousins at Michigan State to name two. Or take some of the lightly recruited guys on our team: Chad Spann, Jason Schepler, Willie Clark, Trevor Olson, Joe Pawlak, Sean Progar, Alan Baxter, Pat Schiller, Tyrone Clark, Mike Krause, Tracy Wilson. These guys had few offers or none at all and they're pretty good. Jordan Lynch is another one. He hasn't played in a game yet but he sure passed the eyeball test in spring camp. I trust the coaches in their evaluations.

Bruce Gradkowski is another HS QB that was only lightly recruited and only had Division I offers for B-ball.

(06-25-2010 11:26 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(06-25-2010 10:47 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Judging a kid by his offers implies that recruiting is a perfectly efficient process when it clearly is not. There are tons of successful quarterbacks who were lightly recruited, including Scott Tolzien at Wisconsin and Kirk Cousins at Michigan State to name two. Or take some of the lightly recruited guys on our team: Chad Spann, Jason Schepler, Willie Clark, Trevor Olson, Joe Pawlak, Sean Progar, Alan Baxter, Pat Schiller, Tyrone Clark, Mike Krause, Tracy Wilson. These guys had few offers or none at all and they're pretty good. Jordan Lynch is another one. He hasn't played in a game yet but he sure passed the eyeball test in spring camp. I trust the coaches in their evaluations.

Bruce Gradkowski is another HS QB that was only lightly recruited and only had Division I offers for B-ball.

The same idiots who are upset that he only had FCS offers will be saying what a great pick up it was when the kid has a great year and is labeled a *** recruit. It just never stops.

(06-25-2010 03:06 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(06-25-2010 11:26 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(06-25-2010 10:47 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Judging a kid by his offers implies that recruiting is a perfectly efficient process when it clearly is not. There are tons of successful quarterbacks who were lightly recruited, including Scott Tolzien at Wisconsin and Kirk Cousins at Michigan State to name two. Or take some of the lightly recruited guys on our team: Chad Spann, Jason Schepler, Willie Clark, Trevor Olson, Joe Pawlak, Sean Progar, Alan Baxter, Pat Schiller, Tyrone Clark, Mike Krause, Tracy Wilson. These guys had few offers or none at all and they're pretty good. Jordan Lynch is another one. He hasn't played in a game yet but he sure passed the eyeball test in spring camp. I trust the coaches in their evaluations.

Bruce Gradkowski is another HS QB that was only lightly recruited and only had Division I offers for B-ball.

The same idiots who are upset that he only had FCS offers will be saying what a great pick up it was when the kid has a great year and is labeled a *** recruit. It just never stops.

its an entertaining thing to do, but in the end ,it the coaches who have the film, the personnel contact, references and their experience at their disposal. It only counts on what you have =on signing day

(06-25-2010 03:06 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  The same idiots who are upset that he only had FCS offers will be saying what a great pick up it was when the kid has a great year and is labeled a *** recruit. It just never stops.

Relying entirely on the quantity/quality of offers to judge a player's potential is foolish, but you can't tell me that offers say nothing about a player. Also, I don't think anyone is "upset" over the fact that he only has FCS offers, but I'd be slightly more optimistic if he had offers from USC and Florida. I bet if we landed a recruit who had an offer from either of those schools you would be flipping out about how awesome the kid is whether you had seen him play or not.

(06-25-2010 05:27 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(06-25-2010 03:06 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  The same idiots who are upset that he only had FCS offers will be saying what a great pick up it was when the kid has a great year and is labeled a *** recruit. It just never stops.

Relying entirely on the quantity/quality of offers to judge a player's potential is foolish, but you can't tell me that offers say nothing about a player. Also, I don't think anyone is "upset" over the fact that he only has FCS offers, but I'd be slightly more optimistic if he had offers from USC and Florida. I bet if we landed a recruit who had an offer from either of those schools you would be flipping out about how awesome the kid is whether you had seen him play or not.

Or, maybe it works the other way. The staff saw that he only had a couple 1-aa offers, saw film and saw him play and said this kid was under-recruited or under-valued...they decide to offer early in hopes that he commits. Being a good kid, with a good background, maybe he rewards NIU for their loyalty and sticks to his verbal even when the IU's or the Louisville's come a calling. Maybe we steal a great prospect.

Remember, the QB position is an anomaly in recruiting. You can sign multiple running backs, receivers, linemen and db's...but usually, you only sign 1 QB. That means there are literally only about 100-150 NATIONALLY that are going to get d-1 schollies and there are plenty out there. That's why you always go with a coaches evaluation at QB and that's why so many great QB's come from MAC schools or FCS (1-aa) schools. I trust our staff completely on this one, in fact, I really like it b/c it shows that they have conviction in their own judgements, not just relying on the hype.

Down through NFL history there have been an outsized number of top QB's from smaller programs; Bradshaw, Romo, Pennington, Garcia etc. Players who were overlooked by the big programs or the big programs that wanted them didn't want them to play QB or have the right scheme or system for them.

If Kill & the staff think McIntosh has what it takes I believe them. He's rated by both Rivals & Scout as one of the top 2 QB's in Indiana. That's pretty strong.

Boom goes the 3rd commit.

#4 and #5 commits are updated.

Can we get a pin?