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School A: Large research school in sixth largest city with 210 million dollar endowment.

School B: Small master's school in small city of rural state (which the flagship is already a member) with 70 million dollar endowment.

I wonder which school I'd pick? If I'm a university president School A is the no-brainer. This comparison is a joke.
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I certainly think that Academics will be looked upon if there is any additions to a Big East. But I dont think academics will play as big a role as some would think though. Its not like all of our current institutions are all members of the AAU. All the possible candidates that I have looked at so far appear to me that all of them are in the acceptable range for possible inclusion.

That being said....I think when it comes down to it, an expansion that is football driven will come down to athletic program perception, geographic location, a proven fan support, the creation of additional rivalries, schools that can deliver their market from a TV standpoint in those respective "regional" area, and those schools that can help deliver good "national" interest (TV ratings) as well. You have to look at the overall packedge.
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Agree, because it is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$. 04-cheers
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There are several things I see people posting here in this thread I find incredibly amusing.

First, there are multiple ECU posters, several probable ECU posters posing as others, etc. They all have the same or very similar opinions and have very similar postings. These same posters with identical thought and postings declare myself and WVUeer to be the same person because we have a few similar thoughts on a particular school or issue that disagrees with their opinions? Yet you don't see the similarities in your own thought and opinion?-are you ALL the same poster/poser?

Next, I post researchable facts about issues, schools, etc. and the same posers and posters listed above attack me personally and come up with all manner of delusion to pretend that rather than facts, these are some personal agenda against their school I have formulated-as though I made up their Tier ranking or market when I had absolutely nothing to do with any of it.

Next, what is this all out attack and assault on Marshall University? I find it very interesting that so many non Big East fans have such a hatred of MU. What has Marshall ever done to any of you to deserve such hatred? Anyone who knows anything about college football knows Marshall stands very similarly in relation to most of the candidates mentioned here on a regular basis. Better than some in certain areas, a bit less than some in others. The thing is, they are just one of MULTIPLE other teams listed--but Marshall is the only one that is ever attacked as though everyone else is somehow a better candidate than the Thundering Herd would be.

and finally, where did this imagined theory come from that ECU and/or Memphis are somehow the ONLY reasonable and real candidates for Big East expansion come from. This is not close to being a fact, yet multiple people keep repeating this over and over as though this was written in stone, or doing so is going to convince the decision makers that this is so. The facts are these schools have been turned down by the Big East more than once already, as have other schools.
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(04-25-2010 01:08 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  There are several things I see people posting here in this thread I find incredibly amusing.

First, there are multiple ECU posters, several probable ECU posters posing as others, etc. They all have the same or very similar opinions and have very similar postings. These same posters with identical thought and postings declare myself and WVUeer to be the same person because we have a few similar thoughts on a particular school or issue that disagrees with their opinions? Yet you don't see the similarities in your own thought and opinion?-are you ALL the same poster/poser?

Next, I post researchable facts about issues, schools, etc. and the same posers and posters listed above attack me personally and come up with all manner of delusion to pretend that rather than facts, these are some personal agenda against their school I have formulated-as though I made up their Tier ranking or market when I had absolutely nothing to do with any of it.

Next, what is this all out attack and assault on Marshall University? I find it very interesting that so many non Big East fans have such a hatred of MU. What has Marshall ever done to any of you to deserve such hatred? Anyone who knows anything about college football knows Marshall stands very similarly in relation to most of the candidates mentioned here on a regular basis. Better than some in certain areas, a bit less than some in others. The thing is, they are just one of MULTIPLE other teams listed--but Marshall is the only one that is ever attacked as though everyone else is somehow a better candidate than the Thundering Herd would be.

and finally, where did this imagined theory come from that ECU and/or Memphis are somehow the ONLY reasonable and real candidates for Big East expansion come from. This is not close to being a fact, yet multiple people keep repeating this over and over as though this was written in stone, or doing so is going to convince the decision makers that this is so. The facts are these schools have been turned down by the Big East more than once already, as have other schools.

Since you are all into the Tier system, will you please address the questions that I asked earlier in this thread about WVU's Tier ranking? And before you go feeling all sorry for yourself, you should keep in mind that you launched a few attacks of your own. Moreover, no one dislikes Marshall; it is a fine institution, however since the Louisville poster outed you as a Marshall alum posing as a WVU alum, then at least be man enough to own up to it; so that when Memphis and ECU fans are reading your posts they at least know why you saying what you are saying.

Lastly, reality indicates that the Big East would really only pick from a hand full of schools if their conference was raided by the B10 or if they really wanted to go to 20 schools. I would think the list would include Temple from the MAC; Memphis, East Carolina and Central Florida from CUSA. On the one hand those schools may not be the most attractive programs out there, but on the other hand they all are large, have name recognition, lots of alums, fans and decent markets. And while the academics of institutions might matter (it didn't for Louisville, Cincinnati or South Florida), I would think that the more important factors would be name recognition, alums, fans and markets. And just because the Big East may have turned programs down before, it doesn't mean that they will do so in the future, or did I imagine that VT and WVU had been turned down at one point by the Big East?
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion buckaineer. So let's talk a little about West Virginia. I think it's really sad that the best a flagship university of a state can attain is a tier 3 ranking. This ranking, along with the fact that West Virginia is one of the least populated states, puts it in a terrible position in relation to realignment. The ACC would never add a tier 3 school in such a small market. The SEC wouldn't add such a small market when there are schools in other, more populated states that it can go after. On top of all that, your fans are considered by many to be the most disrespectful around. What scares the heck out of you, and many West Virginia fans, is that your school is likely to end up in a conference with more CUSA schools, that are actually very similar to West Virginia in academics and market. You and other West Virginia fans just better hope than when the musical chairs stop, West Virginia ends up in a BCS conference. One last thing. I respect Marshall. As far as academics is concerned, I was under the impression that Marshall wasn't rated in the Tier system.
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(04-25-2010 02:58 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(04-25-2010 01:08 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  There are several things I see people posting here in this thread I find incredibly amusing.

First, there are multiple ECU posters, several probable ECU posters posing as others, etc. They all have the same or very similar opinions and have very similar postings. These same posters with identical thought and postings declare myself and WVUeer to be the same person because we have a few similar thoughts on a particular school or issue that disagrees with their opinions? Yet you don't see the similarities in your own thought and opinion?-are you ALL the same poster/poser?

Next, I post researchable facts about issues, schools, etc. and the same posers and posters listed above attack me personally and come up with all manner of delusion to pretend that rather than facts, these are some personal agenda against their school I have formulated-as though I made up their Tier ranking or market when I had absolutely nothing to do with any of it.

Next, what is this all out attack and assault on Marshall University? I find it very interesting that so many non Big East fans have such a hatred of MU. What has Marshall ever done to any of you to deserve such hatred? Anyone who knows anything about college football knows Marshall stands very similarly in relation to most of the candidates mentioned here on a regular basis. Better than some in certain areas, a bit less than some in others. The thing is, they are just one of MULTIPLE other teams listed--but Marshall is the only one that is ever attacked as though everyone else is somehow a better candidate than the Thundering Herd would be.

and finally, where did this imagined theory come from that ECU and/or Memphis are somehow the ONLY reasonable and real candidates for Big East expansion come from. This is not close to being a fact, yet multiple people keep repeating this over and over as though this was written in stone, or doing so is going to convince the decision makers that this is so. The facts are these schools have been turned down by the Big East more than once already, as have other schools.

Since you are all into the Tier system, will you please address the questions that I asked earlier in this thread about WVU's Tier ranking? And before you go feeling all sorry for yourself, you should keep in mind that you launched a few attacks of your own. Moreover, no one dislikes Marshall; it is a fine institution, however since the Louisville poster outed you as a Marshall alum posing as a WVU alum, then at least be man enough to own up to it; so that when Memphis and ECU fans are reading your posts they at least know why you saying what you are saying.

Lastly, reality indicates that the Big East would really only pick from a hand full of schools if their conference was raided by the B10 or if they really wanted to go to 20 schools. I would think the list would include Temple from the MAC; Memphis, East Carolina and Central Florida from CUSA. On the one hand those schools may not be the most attractive programs out there, but on the other hand they all are large, have name recognition, lots of alums, fans and decent markets. And while the academics of institutions might matter (it didn't for Louisville, Cincinnati or South Florida), I would think that the more important factors would be name recognition, alums, fans and markets.

I have never set foot in a classroom at Marshall University so no one could "out me". Anyone who suggests otherwise is a fool.
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(04-25-2010 01:08 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  Next, what is this all out attack and assault on Marshall University? I find it very interesting that so many non Big East fans have such a hatred of MU. What has Marshall ever done to any of you to deserve such hatred? Anyone who knows anything about college football knows Marshall stands very similarly in relation to most of the candidates mentioned here on a regular basis. Better than some in certain areas, a bit less than some in others. The thing is, they are just one of MULTIPLE other teams listed--but Marshall is the only one that is ever attacked as though everyone else is somehow a better candidate than the Thundering Herd would be.

Marshal is fine where it is. When people feel a school like it should come into the BE, I balk. WVU should not be associated with such an unspectacular institution, just because of sports. Schools like Marshall and USM are not at all like USF, Cincy, and Louisville institutionally when they were invited. UCF and Temple are close, ECU and Memphis are getting there but still has a way to go.

Why should our conferences large research institutions settle when other conferences don't? Texas and Nebraska don't like being associated with a KSU. The ACC grabbed a strong research school in VT, and 2 highly rated private schools (and wanted SU too). As much as Wazzu and ISU stink in football they are valued by the Stanfords, Cals, Nebraskas, and Mizz's in their conferences because their have high research activity. The BE football presidents won't react in desperation
with inivitations.
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(04-25-2010 02:58 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(04-25-2010 01:08 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  There are several things I see people posting here in this thread I find incredibly amusing.

First, there are multiple ECU posters, several probable ECU posters posing as others, etc. They all have the same or very similar opinions and have very similar postings. These same posters with identical thought and postings declare myself and WVUeer to be the same person because we have a few similar thoughts on a particular school or issue that disagrees with their opinions? Yet you don't see the similarities in your own thought and opinion?-are you ALL the same poster/poser?

Next, I post researchable facts about issues, schools, etc. and the same posers and posters listed above attack me personally and come up with all manner of delusion to pretend that rather than facts, these are some personal agenda against their school I have formulated-as though I made up their Tier ranking or market when I had absolutely nothing to do with any of it.

Next, what is this all out attack and assault on Marshall University? I find it very interesting that so many non Big East fans have such a hatred of MU. What has Marshall ever done to any of you to deserve such hatred? Anyone who knows anything about college football knows Marshall stands very similarly in relation to most of the candidates mentioned here on a regular basis. Better than some in certain areas, a bit less than some in others. The thing is, they are just one of MULTIPLE other teams listed--but Marshall is the only one that is ever attacked as though everyone else is somehow a better candidate than the Thundering Herd would be.

and finally, where did this imagined theory come from that ECU and/or Memphis are somehow the ONLY reasonable and real candidates for Big East expansion come from. This is not close to being a fact, yet multiple people keep repeating this over and over as though this was written in stone, or doing so is going to convince the decision makers that this is so. The facts are these schools have been turned down by the Big East more than once already, as have other schools.

Since you are all into the Tier system, will you please address the questions that I asked earlier in this thread about WVU's Tier ranking? And before you go feeling all sorry for yourself, you should keep in mind that you launched a few attacks of your own. Moreover, no one dislikes Marshall; it is a fine institution, however since the Louisville poster outed you as a Marshall alum posing as a WVU alum, then at least be man enough to own up to it; so that when Memphis and ECU fans are reading your posts they at least know why you saying what you are saying.

Lastly, reality indicates that the Big East would really only pick from a hand full of schools if their conference was raided by the B10 or if they really wanted to go to 20 schools. I would think the list would include Temple from the MAC; and Central Florida from CUSA. On the one hand those schools may not be the most attractive programs out there, but on the other hand they all are large, have name recognition, lots of alums, fans and decent markets. And while the academics of institutions might matter (it didn't for Louisville, Cincinnati or South Florida), I would think that the more important factors would be name recognition, alums, fans and markets. And just because the Big East may have turned programs down before, it doesn't mean that they will do so in the future, or did I imagine that VT and WVU had been turned down at one point by the Big East?

There were several schools the big east considered and dismissed. There is no evidence to support any of them being reconsidered fron any legitimate Big East sources including equally I might add:

DISMISS
Marshall
Memphis
Southern Miss
E.C.U.
UAB

since USF was added, there is no point in including them on this list.

Therefore to state "reality indicates that the Big East would really only pick from a hand full of schools" and to include Memphis and East Carolina on this list is a complete fabrication of facts. If ECU or Memphis were to be reconsidered, then the others on this list would have just as much likelihood of being reconsidered. None are likely however.

The only CUSA "candidate" receiving actual interest from the Big East is Central Florida who was recommended for inclusion before and has been mentioned recently by Big East sources on multiple occasions.
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(04-25-2010 02:59 PM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  You are certainly entitled to your opinion buckaineer. So let's talk a little about West Virginia. I think it's really sad that the best a flagship university of a state can attain is a tier 3 ranking. This ranking, along with the fact that West Virginia is one of the least populated states, puts it in a terrible position in relation to realignment. The ACC would never add a tier 3 school in such a small market. The SEC wouldn't add such a small market when there are schools in other, more populated states that it can go after. On top of all that, your fans are considered by many to be the most disrespectful around. What scares the heck out of you, and many West Virginia fans, is that your school is likely to end up in a conference with more CUSA schools, that are actually very similar to West Virginia in academics and market. You and other West Virginia fans just better hope than when the musical chairs stop, West Virginia ends up in a BCS conference. One last thing. I respect Marshall. As far as academics is concerned, I was under the impression that Marshall wasn't rated in the Tier system.

You may wish to switch from discussing facts to attempting to "attack" WVU. Laughable at best. WVU is one of the top schools in a BCS conference with a national following. WVU delivers not a market but national audiences and an entire state. It has won BCS bowls against SEC and Big Twelve champions and has multiple BCS league championships. It has played for the national championship in football and basketball. Basketball has followed up several successful years going deep in the NCAA's with a trip to the final four with continued success in the future. WVU is currently 12th in Directors Cup standings. Academically WVU is sound and has many nationally ranked programs and various academic honors and is rated in a tier which is consistent with BCS programs, as well as rated ahead of multiple BCS programs in other official academic rankings. WVU has produced 25 Rhodes Scholars, 30 Goldwater Scholars, 18 Truman Scholars, and five members of USA Today's All-USA College Academic First team. As a major research institution, WVU attracts over $125 million in annual grant funding.

WVU athletics will not be a part of your fantasy CUSA large league ever, so keep dreaming if you wish. Will never happen.
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