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Stanton, Mullins, a community that does not care and media and marketing that do not generate interest.

(12-24-2008 11:57 AM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  Stanton, Mullins, a community that does not care and media and marketing that do not generate interest.

I was in attendance at the FCS national championship game this past Friday and other than the Montana crowd(whom I shared quite a few beers with) and the Richmond crowd, the locals were there and pumped to get a chance to see Russ Huesman's defense in action. They were not disappointed and this is one hell of a hire by UTC. Dr. Brown and Rick Hart are to be commended on this choice as well as their long term commitment to UTC football.

If UTC football gains some sort of national prominence out of this, I feel then that Stanton will have to face the music. He has done quite a job at avoiding it so far other than BFF and the local media, for the most part, hasn't held his feet to the fire. Let UTC win a title and that will change.

Again, not close to the situation as some of you, but just going by what I do know. Bottom line, no excuse to not have football at ETSU. NONE!!!

I'd like to think UTC winning would cause people to say it can be done, but I'm not sure.

We've seen Austin Peay go back to scholarship football. We've seen Tusculum put a player into the pros. We've seen ASU win three straight national titles, and now Richmond- a highly accessible community to us rolling north on 95 (!)

And what changes? Nothing.

Perhaps our leading sportscaster, Kenny Hawkins, an ETSU grad who has been on Johnson City TV almost as long as Stan Pamfilis has been on WLOS ("John Milner at the plate- he swings that bat and BOOM! Over the Allegheny!"), now co-hosts a sports talk show here and actually defended Paul Stanton by saying "The education has improved since he's been there."

How does one make this determination? As far as I can tell, it is because a Pharmacy School has been added at ETSU, which is fine, but I absolutely resent that so many people try to turn this into a pharmacy school v. football arguement.

As if having a football team is detrimental to a university's academic pursuits or ETSU could only have one or the other and not both!

Furthermore, is Kenny Hawkins really qualified to be the guy you want to go to for reports on the academic advancement of ETSU?

The point is, Hawkins could be a great leader in the revival of ETSU athletics. He has MULTIPLE bully pulpits, and if ETSU tried to lean on him the way they have on Smith and myself for championing ideals- guess what- he can kill them by reducing or even eliminating coverage. HE HOLDS THE CARDS!

Instead, he uses his pulpit to praise the Tri-Cities equivilent of Art Modell.

mocfans.com has gone wild over their new coach! Over 200 at a press conference for a team that most people on campus would love to kill???? Guess the Chancellor and AD know more than some 85 year old faculty member who won't retire because he'd miss complaining about killing football.

Good for the Mocs for not being the cowards that etsu has ruining (intended) their show.

this is such a tired thread. for how many years now have we had people yapping about no football. time to move on folks. same with the conference. be nice if there were some answers. utc football is poor. perhaps that will change but lets not get too excited about all of 200 people at a press conference (by the way - that is about the attendance at utc's last home game). rick hart tried to get the salary up over 200k - yet was unable to generate the external funds to do so.

(12-26-2008 09:16 AM)bowdowntoUT Wrote:  mocfans.com has gone wild over their new coach! Over 200 at a press conference for a team that most people on campus would love to kill???? Guess the Chancellor and AD know more than some 85 year old faculty member who won't retire because he'd miss complaining about killing football.

Good for the Mocs for not being the cowards that etsu has ruining (intended) their show.

Well guess what? IT ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE!!!! People are going to keep talking about football, complaining about not having a program and complaining about the A-Sun until we A: Get the program back, and B: we go to a more geographically friendly conference that allows our fans to easily travel to away games. UT-C's program has sucked the last few years but guess what? They're making the effort to improve the program, and they will. The UT system understands the importance of football, and how much in private giving that generates. Sadly, you've apparently drank at the stale cookies, drank the Kool-Aid and inhaled too much of the stink off of the poop smelling trees outside of Rogers-Stout.

(12-28-2008 07:47 PM)silence dogood Wrote:  this is such a tired thread. for how many years now have we had people yapping about no football. time to move on folks. same with the conference. be nice if there were some answers. utc football is poor. perhaps that will change but lets not get too excited about all of 200 people at a press conference (by the way - that is about the attendance at utc's last home game). rick hart tried to get the salary up over 200k - yet was unable to generate the external funds to do so.

(12-26-2008 09:16 AM)bowdowntoUT Wrote:  mocfans.com has gone wild over their new coach! Over 200 at a press conference for a team that most people on campus would love to kill???? Guess the Chancellor and AD know more than some 85 year old faculty member who won't retire because he'd miss complaining about killing football.

Good for the Mocs for not being the cowards that etsu has ruining (intended) their show.

no - i didnt drink any kool-aid. however, i am trying to live in the here and now and move beyond the past. fact - the utc football program has been poor for roughly 20 years. hiring a new coach may be a start at getting better, but it will take more than that. perhaps they make it, perhaps they dont. a-sun is not my dream conference - but it is where we are. i am here to support the bucs - regardless of who they play. it is tiresome to read the note from people who talk about etsu being in the sun belt, conf. usa, colonial, southern, etc. those are all nice conferences - but that is simply not realistic for a variety of reasons. given that - i want to try and make the home i am in a good home. davidson is not a great team right now because of the southern conference. they are good because of an coach who has built a great team. gonzaga is not a great program because of the west coast conference, and i could go on. i appreciate the passion that i read - but the same old story day after day does get old (in other words, my guess is we all want the same thing - to have a really good program, we just disagree on how we might get there). as for football - would love to have it back. however, there is no money for it - there is no money for a new stadium. 20 passionate fans on a message board do not make for financial support. and finally, as for brian smith - he is a disgrace of a journalist. like so many today, he tries to sensationalize things when they really arent that remarkable. the recent article on attendance poorly written and quite slanted. as for dr. stanton and mr. mullins - they are making a mistake by not speaking to the press. if they do not speak - someone else will speak for them. unfortunately, because of how brian smith has taken their quotes out of context or twisted their meanings in the past, both have climbed into a shell. not the best idea but i guess it is understandable.

(12-29-2008 09:46 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Well guess what? IT ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE!!!! People are going to keep talking about football, complaining about not having a program and complaining about the A-Sun until we A: Get the program back, and B: we go to a more geographically friendly conference that allows our fans to easily travel to away games. UT-C's program has sucked the last few years but guess what? They're making the effort to improve the program, and they will. The UT system understands the importance of football, and how much in private giving that generates. Sadly, you've apparently drank at the stale cookies, drank the Kool-Aid and inhaled too much of the stink off of the poop smelling trees outside of Rogers-Stout.

(12-28-2008 07:47 PM)silence dogood Wrote:  this is such a tired thread. for how many years now have we had people yapping about no football. time to move on folks. same with the conference. be nice if there were some answers. utc football is poor. perhaps that will change but lets not get too excited about all of 200 people at a press conference (by the way - that is about the attendance at utc's last home game). rick hart tried to get the salary up over 200k - yet was unable to generate the external funds to do so.

(12-26-2008 09:16 AM)bowdowntoUT Wrote:  mocfans.com has gone wild over their new coach! Over 200 at a press conference for a team that most people on campus would love to kill???? Guess the Chancellor and AD know more than some 85 year old faculty member who won't retire because he'd miss complaining about killing football.

Good for the Mocs for not being the cowards that etsu has ruining (intended) their show.

Davidson and Gonzaga would LEAVE THEIR CONFERENCES TOMMORROW if either Conference USA, The Sun Belt or the CAA came calling. And yes it's true, Gonzaga and Davidson built up because they were in lesser conferences while having and being able to keep great coaches who know how to spot the talented undersized player, or the obscure overlooked kid, etc... Also, atleast UT-C is making an effort to improve.
And how is Brian Smith a disgrace? He used the FOI act to LEGALLY OBTAIN DOCUMENTS from a state supported university, all within the sunshine laws that I learned in 8th grade civics class. Anyone can request the documents that Smith did, and ETSU is required by FEDERAL LAW to show them, no questions asked. He went out, he asked questions in the community, using area football coaches, community leaders, regular citizens and ETSU fans to compile his stories on ETSU athletics, then put it out there for people to read. There was nothing slanderous or libelous about the correspondance between Floyd Reese and ETSU about making ETSU the training camp home of the Tennessee Titans. That wasn't a made up document, believe me, Bud Adams wouldn't see the humor in that. And right now as for football, money is tight, but guess what, if Coastal Carolina can start a program, then ETSU could have maintained one. It's ridiculous to sit there and say that they couldn't. And the private money? It was there, checks were coming in and promises were made immediately after the last fiasco. I'm assuming that you're a student or an employee of the university who either A: wasn't around when all this crap went down or B: you've inhaled too much of the polaver and bile coming out of that place and have started to believe it. There are just too many universities that have football that aren't dropping it, too many schools that are adding it, wanting to add it, and wanting to move into FCS football, and go Division I in all sports. People don't like Brian Smith because the truth makes people uncomfortable. He didn't blow sunshine up anyone's ass, he put the facts out there and let everyone decide for themselves, and what do you know, Dave Mullins is afraid to interview with him now. Fan1 you can ban me if you have to, but Dave declining comment shows how spineless he really is.

(12-29-2008 10:59 AM)silence dogood Wrote:  no - i didnt drink any kool-aid. however, i am trying to live in the here and now and move beyond the past. fact - the utc football program has been poor for roughly 20 years. hiring a new coach may be a start at getting better, but it will take more than that. perhaps they make it, perhaps they dont. a-sun is not my dream conference - but it is where we are. i am here to support the bucs - regardless of who they play. it is tiresome to read the note from people who talk about etsu being in the sun belt, conf. usa, colonial, southern, etc. those are all nice conferences - but that is simply not realistic for a variety of reasons. given that - i want to try and make the home i am in a good home. davidson is not a great team right now because of the southern conference. they are good because of an coach who has built a great team. gonzaga is not a great program because of the west coast conference, and i could go on. i appreciate the passion that i read - but the same old story day after day does get old (in other words, my guess is we all want the same thing - to have a really good program, we just disagree on how we might get there). as for football - would love to have it back. however, there is no money for it - there is no money for a new stadium. 20 passionate fans on a message board do not make for financial support. and finally, as for brian smith - he is a disgrace of a journalist. like so many today, he tries to sensationalize things when they really arent that remarkable. the recent article on attendance poorly written and quite slanted. as for dr. stanton and mr. mullins - they are making a mistake by not speaking to the press. if they do not speak - someone else will speak for them. unfortunately, because of how brian smith has taken their quotes out of context or twisted their meanings in the past, both have climbed into a shell. not the best idea but i guess it is understandable.

(12-29-2008 09:46 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Well guess what? IT ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE!!!! People are going to keep talking about football, complaining about not having a program and complaining about the A-Sun until we A: Get the program back, and B: we go to a more geographically friendly conference that allows our fans to easily travel to away games. UT-C's program has sucked the last few years but guess what? They're making the effort to improve the program, and they will. The UT system understands the importance of football, and how much in private giving that generates. Sadly, you've apparently drank at the stale cookies, drank the Kool-Aid and inhaled too much of the stink off of the poop smelling trees outside of Rogers-Stout.

(12-28-2008 07:47 PM)silence dogood Wrote:  this is such a tired thread. for how many years now have we had people yapping about no football. time to move on folks. same with the conference. be nice if there were some answers. utc football is poor. perhaps that will change but lets not get too excited about all of 200 people at a press conference (by the way - that is about the attendance at utc's last home game). rick hart tried to get the salary up over 200k - yet was unable to generate the external funds to do so.

(12-26-2008 09:16 AM)bowdowntoUT Wrote:  mocfans.com has gone wild over their new coach! Over 200 at a press conference for a team that most people on campus would love to kill???? Guess the Chancellor and AD know more than some 85 year old faculty member who won't retire because he'd miss complaining about killing football.

Good for the Mocs for not being the cowards that etsu has ruining (intended) their show.

brian smith likes to make a big show out of stuff he doesnt need to. the foi stuff got repeated ad naseum and it really was inconsequential. as to davidson and gonzaga leaving their conferences tomorrow for the sun belt, cusa or caa - you have been drinking too much kool aid. quit speculating. davidson is in the so con and will remain their because of their ties to furman, elon, wofford, samford. as for gonzaga, do you really think one of those conferences would offer them - and if so, why. lets live in the real world please. as for football - i keep reading about how well the bucs could draw if they had football. well, the previous 20 years of so of football gave a pretty good indication of that, didnt it.

(12-29-2008 04:45 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Davidson and Gonzaga would LEAVE THEIR CONFERENCES TOMMORROW if either Conference USA, The Sun Belt or the CAA came calling. And yes it's true, Gonzaga and Davidson built up because they were in lesser conferences while having and being able to keep great coaches who know how to spot the talented undersized player, or the obscure overlooked kid, etc... Also, atleast UT-C is making an effort to improve.
And how is Brian Smith a disgrace? He used the FOI act to LEGALLY OBTAIN DOCUMENTS from a state supported university, all within the sunshine laws that I learned in 8th grade civics class. Anyone can request the documents that Smith did, and ETSU is required by FEDERAL LAW to show them, no questions asked. He went out, he asked questions in the community, using area football coaches, community leaders, regular citizens and ETSU fans to compile his stories on ETSU athletics, then put it out there for people to read. There was nothing slanderous or libelous about the correspondance between Floyd Reese and ETSU about making ETSU the training camp home of the Tennessee Titans. That wasn't a made up document, believe me, Bud Adams wouldn't see the humor in that. And right now as for football, money is tight, but guess what, if Coastal Carolina can start a program, then ETSU could have maintained one. It's ridiculous to sit there and say that they couldn't. And the private money? It was there, checks were coming in and promises were made immediately after the last fiasco. I'm assuming that you're a student or an employee of the university who either A: wasn't around when all this crap went down or B: you've inhaled too much of the polaver and bile coming out of that place and have started to believe it. There are just too many universities that have football that aren't dropping it, too many schools that are adding it, wanting to add it, and wanting to move into FCS football, and go Division I in all sports. People don't like Brian Smith because the truth makes people uncomfortable. He didn't blow sunshine up anyone's ass, he put the facts out there and let everyone decide for themselves, and what do you know, Dave Mullins is afraid to interview with him now. Fan1 you can ban me if you have to, but Dave declining comment shows how spineless he really is.

(12-29-2008 10:59 AM)silence dogood Wrote:  no - i didnt drink any kool-aid. however, i am trying to live in the here and now and move beyond the past. fact - the utc football program has been poor for roughly 20 years. hiring a new coach may be a start at getting better, but it will take more than that. perhaps they make it, perhaps they dont. a-sun is not my dream conference - but it is where we are. i am here to support the bucs - regardless of who they play. it is tiresome to read the note from people who talk about etsu being in the sun belt, conf. usa, colonial, southern, etc. those are all nice conferences - but that is simply not realistic for a variety of reasons. given that - i want to try and make the home i am in a good home. davidson is not a great team right now because of the southern conference. they are good because of an coach who has built a great team. gonzaga is not a great program because of the west coast conference, and i could go on. i appreciate the passion that i read - but the same old story day after day does get old (in other words, my guess is we all want the same thing - to have a really good program, we just disagree on how we might get there). as for football - would love to have it back. however, there is no money for it - there is no money for a new stadium. 20 passionate fans on a message board do not make for financial support. and finally, as for brian smith - he is a disgrace of a journalist. like so many today, he tries to sensationalize things when they really arent that remarkable. the recent article on attendance poorly written and quite slanted. as for dr. stanton and mr. mullins - they are making a mistake by not speaking to the press. if they do not speak - someone else will speak for them. unfortunately, because of how brian smith has taken their quotes out of context or twisted their meanings in the past, both have climbed into a shell. not the best idea but i guess it is understandable.

(12-29-2008 09:46 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Well guess what? IT ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE!!!! People are going to keep talking about football, complaining about not having a program and complaining about the A-Sun until we A: Get the program back, and B: we go to a more geographically friendly conference that allows our fans to easily travel to away games. UT-C's program has sucked the last few years but guess what? They're making the effort to improve the program, and they will. The UT system understands the importance of football, and how much in private giving that generates. Sadly, you've apparently drank at the stale cookies, drank the Kool-Aid and inhaled too much of the stink off of the poop smelling trees outside of Rogers-Stout.

(12-28-2008 07:47 PM)silence dogood Wrote:  this is such a tired thread. for how many years now have we had people yapping about no football. time to move on folks. same with the conference. be nice if there were some answers. utc football is poor. perhaps that will change but lets not get too excited about all of 200 people at a press conference (by the way - that is about the attendance at utc's last home game). rick hart tried to get the salary up over 200k - yet was unable to generate the external funds to do so.

(12-26-2008 09:16 AM)bowdowntoUT Wrote:  mocfans.com has gone wild over their new coach! Over 200 at a press conference for a team that most people on campus would love to kill???? Guess the Chancellor and AD know more than some 85 year old faculty member who won't retire because he'd miss complaining about killing football.

Good for the Mocs for not being the cowards that etsu has ruining (intended) their show.