buckaineer Wrote:Louisville and WVU fans might differ with your "just get another" point. You don't just replace great coaches --and look where ECU has been since 1999-that is a long time. ECU has looked strong in two games this season but this doesn't make them a top program, just a good team this season so far.
My point is anyone can have their coach taken, even LSU or FL. Good programs don't stay down for ever though. We have had proven success under several coaches, just as your programs.
Most Big East schools have had much more success than ECU with various coaches since your last ranked team in 1999. Coaches that can pull an ECU up to BCS levels don't grow on trees
Quote:The tv coverage is all well and good, but what are the financials and what are the ratings nationally when they are on. This is what will determine if they would be viable for adding to a major conference or not.
I'm sure if you added Temple with their major market & all there would have been more people watching their game. Well except they never get on ESPN or or national TV really.
I didn't mention Temple, you did. The Big East Football Conference kicked Temple out for not meeting standards. However, you can bet than in the gigantic Philadelphia market, just as many people are watching Temple football (which IS on TV there from time to time) as watch ECU football. It isn't game #1 in Philly, or maybe even 3, but the market is so large that TV executives and advertisers who pay their bills will notice them, especially if they become competitive with other BCS schools. ECU doesn't have that advantage and as I said the actual numbers are what is important. I don't know who is watching the cable outlets that you say ECU is on or what money those channels and your school are making from that. If the numbers aren't strong enough to bump other BE schools financials if ECU were added, it won't matter.
Quote:The Big East schools are reportedly not interested in a football only school. It isn't going to do the remaining schools any good to play ECU but not get any revenue for it, and I'm pretty sure that ECU won't like this deal for very long either. And if there were a year like this where an ECU might make it to the top-how would that go over?
Really? Tell that to all the football coaches who keep asking for another football team. That's the only option until you spilt, & no one has really has called for a split I am aware of. Also according to the Conn. paper that printed the terms the BCS bowl would be in play if we won the conference, the others wouldn't though if I recall correctly, & we would manage our own TV deal, & bowl tie ins exept a BCS one if we were to win the conference.
The football coaches never said they want a football only program in the Big East. In the meetings they considered a few schools for this and ECU wasn't one considered--they opted not to go this route. ECU suggested what would be in play, BE schools didn't accept any of it if you'll remember. The Big East still holds the cards. The Big East isn't going to add a program if they don't bring something significant to the existing teams. ECU making money and tv deals for themselves does nothing to improve existing BE schools situations or financials.
Quote:Not great to have a sort of member win the conference.
You did it for years with Temple and Virginia Tech.
Temple, VT, Rutgers, and WVU were not always members in other sports (Temple never became other than football). They were full members of football though. They shared in bowls, tv, etc. When they played they represented the league. ECU's proposed deal would give ECU BCS status without having to give anything back to the league. The media, other conferences, etc. would ridicule the BE endlessly if such a situation were set up. ECU is NOT Notre Dame.
Quote:As far as that offer being off the table now, don't get too overconfident. Your team has beaten one BE team. Don't know how that team will finish up in conference. They haven't escaped without an in conference loss yet, even with Rodriguez. Remember, ECU has just beaten one BE team, not the whole conference yet. Also, the Big East still holds the cards and it is up to them if they would include an ECU in future expansion, not up to ECU just because they have one win over WVU.
We are #14 in the nation this week, that's a little bigger than just one win. & we are certainly have more leverage this week than 3 weeks ago.
Don't kid yourself, ECU is having a nice season so far, but is not the most saught after program in the world yet. ECU has 0 leverage when it comes to the BCS, the BCS leagues have all the leverage, along with the networks. The Big East offices DO have other options you realize, including doing nothing. Starting one season badly after multiple BCS bowl winning seasons has quieted the shouts for more than one year.
Quote:I'd like to see a fanbase and team like yours in the league, but only if it would make financial sense. The network won't care about VT comparisons, VT is an established power, ECU is not.
They were HARDLY an established power when the Big East added VT, in fact they stunk & had stunk for a decade, & had less fan support than we even had 15 years ago. I'm just throwing that out there as their markets didn't seem to matter to the Big East then. They won & grew with BCS membership. Like I said though I take pride in the fact we have built our program back up without those advantages. What if we had them? That's what the Big East needs to think about & look at where VT is now.
Virginia Tech, as much as I now hate them, was an up and coming program around the time of the formation of the Big East. They had been playing other north east independents for years and had wins against programs like WVU when Major Harris was at the helm. They had been playing WVU for years on an equal basis --and they were pushed for membership by WVU and others due to this. VT was also getting on national TV in some of these games. Also, they were only to be the second major team, far away from the other team, in their growing state. ECU was a virtually unkown nationally directional school with poor academics in a state with four major conference teams.