What you see Schadenfreude doing in this thread is typical of the radical left and why they have such a hard time appealing to the mainstream.
Terpy Wrote:What is your goal in belittling a man a day after his death?
People can and should say nice things.
But "one of America's greatest presidents?"
I can't sit quietly after hearing that.
1. Arguing a point when it is not only unnecessary, but quite unwelcome.
It is a thread to honor a man that did great things and has suffered the last ten years with a horrible disease. Your argument is not going to accomplish anything here. You will not change any opinions. No one with switch to your side because you speak the ultimate truth. I'll give you just enough credit to say that you are smart enough to know this, but believe that you just have to be heard anyway. Of course, which makers it even more pathetic because you are not actually trying to accomplish anything. You just like to read your own words.
You actually make a good point here.
There is a high art to speaking honestly and respectfully of the dead. I don't claim to to have mastered it, and I could have much tried harder than I did.
As I've said, a couple of times, Reagan had a good heart. May he rest in peace.
Quote:As for your air traffic controller buddy. F**k him. By going on strike he tried to cripple the economy and put passengers' lives in danger. He got what he deserved. If losing one job ruined his life than it sounds like he had set himself up for a fall already. I know people who lost their jobs as air traffic controllers. None of them had their lives ruined and are doing really well to this day.
My neighbor worked hard and played by the rules. All he wanted to do was put food on his family's table.
He had a good job at Detroit Metro -- and leaving it to hit the street with his labor brothers and sisters was probably the bravest thing he ever did in his life. He was no labor organizer, no Jimmy Hoffa. But he did what his sense of duty told him he had to do.
See, where I grew up, when the union walks, you walk. You stick together. The union brought America the eight hour work day -- and it didn't come easy. Where I'm from, without unions, the middle class would be so small as to be unrecognizable. Where I'm from, a man can do honest work with his hands and still have enough money left at the end of the year to take a vacation or send your kid to college. Unions are the reason why.
So my neighbor honored all that. He did what his sense of duty and the values he grew up with told him he had to do. He walked.
Reagan didn't just hire replacement workers. He didn't just fire my neighbor and 11,000 other people like him. He didn't just arrest leaders of the strike.
He went further. In effect, my neighbor and 11,000 of his coworkers were *blacklisted*. More than 11,000 careers went up in smoke.
For years, America didn't have enough air traffic controllers, but the Reagan administration refused to hire any of those strikers back.
My neighbor ended up getting together with a friend and ended up starting up a bar in a suburb about 45 minutes away. He hated that job, but he did it because he had to do it. No airport anywhere near his home -- and probably, no airport in the country -- had a job for him.
His wife ended up going to work too, probably so they could have health insurance.
For nearly 20 years, my neighbor tried to get a job as an air traffic controller, but was always refused. From what I understand, they just weren't hiring any of those PATCO guys back, period.
Finally, a few years ago, my neighbor landed a job at Willow Run Airport, which is about halfway between Detroit and Ann Arbor. He was one of the first PATCO guys hired back.
Willow Run does general aviation and some frieght -- but it sure isn't Detroit Metro. In baseball terms, I imagine it to be like playing in a rookie league after starting for the Tigers.
And he's happy. He truly is happy to finally have a air traffic control job after 20 years in the wilderness.
But, boy, to think what could have been.
I recognize PATCO was asking for an awful lot in an era when a lot of people had it very hard. Back then, it seemed lilke every manufacturer was laying off people. I've never looked it up, but I remember being told my suburbs had something like a 30 percent unemployment rate in the depth of that recession.
It was so bad, my father worked his county job without pay for a couple months. The county was insisting people still come in to work, but it wasn't paying them. Imagine that!
It was bad.
But my neighbor got screwed. His career was nuked, and some of it was for ideological reasons.