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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:How many morons vote for the guy who looks more attractive?
How many morons vote purely on the party affiliation?
How many morons vote based on their religious convictions?

Yes, it's over for him. Never underestimate American stupidity, or how seemingly infinite it is.

And before you start, no, I don't support Bush or Obama. I'm Libertarian, and would like to see Badnarik run again.


Why should he even run? It would waste his time and money not to mention he wouldn't even been on all the state ballots. I wish third parties would work in our system, but it just won't happen. The people in charge won't allow it to happen because they have all the power. Our country may be great, but it is far from a perfect democracy. (especially since it is a republic)
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garyindiana Wrote:
georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:How many morons vote for the guy who looks more attractive?
How many morons vote purely on the party affiliation?
How many morons vote based on their religious convictions?

Yes, it's over for him. Never underestimate American stupidity, or how seemingly infinite it is.

And before you start, no, I don't support Bush or Obama. I'm Libertarian, and would like to see Badnarik run again.


Why should he even run? It would waste his time and money not to mention he wouldn't even been on all the state ballots. I wish third parties would work in our system, but it just won't happen. The people in charge won't allow it to happen because they have all the power. Our country may be great, but it is far from a perfect democracy. (especially since it is a republic)

The fistagons, the bullets, the bombs
Who stuff the banks, who staff the party ranks
01-21-2007 01:17 AM
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Re: OT- Obama's Political Career - the beginning of the end.
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Kedzman Wrote:Those of you who keep up with news on alternative media outlets (cable news, internet, talk radio) will be familiar with this. If you are a newspaper or major network news consuming dinosaur, you won't hear this...

News out yesterday reports that Barak Obama was educated in an Islamic Madrassa in Indonesia until age 10. This is the end of his presidential aspirations IMO. In an age where there is a global war on terror, this won't fly. I am NOT saying Obama is a terrorist. I am NOT saying he is Muslim. I AM suggesting that the association is more that anyone running for president can stand up against.

Madrassas are Islamic schools where children are indoctrinated in the fundamental hatred of Jews, the West and anything non-Muslim.

Furthermore, it was the CLINTON camp that uncovered this bombshell. The Clintons play for keeps. If they want to take you down - they will.
For more information on this "not yet mainstream" news, do an Internet seach for Obama + madrassa and have your fill.

http://www.google.com/search?q=barak+oba...f8&oe=utf8

How does Obama feels about unethical sports booster behavior?
Now that's a good question.
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Bartindekalb Wrote:
garyindiana Wrote:
georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:How many morons vote for the guy who looks more attractive?
How many morons vote purely on the party affiliation?
How many morons vote based on their religious convictions?

Yes, it's over for him. Never underestimate American stupidity, or how seemingly infinite it is.

And before you start, no, I don't support Bush or Obama. I'm Libertarian, and would like to see Badnarik run again.


Why should he even run? It would waste his time and money not to mention he wouldn't even been on all the state ballots. I wish third parties would work in our system, but it just won't happen. The people in charge won't allow it to happen because they have all the power. Our country may be great, but it is far from a perfect democracy. (especially since it is a republic)

The fistagons, the bullets, the bombs
Who stuff the banks, who staff the party ranks
More for Gore or the son of a drug lord?
01-21-2007 02:37 AM
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garyindiana Wrote:Why should he even run? It would waste his time and money not to mention he wouldn't even been on all the state ballots. I wish third parties would work in our system, but it just won't happen. The people in charge won't allow it to happen because they have all the power. Our country may be great, but it is far from a perfect democracy. (especially since it is a republic)

Ironically, it's that sentiment that keeps the status quo going. If enough people being to vote for a third party, one or both of the main parties will chance their stance. The Libertarians have likely cost the GOP several Senate and House seats in the last 6 years, and almost the Presidency twice.
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:
garyindiana Wrote:Why should he even run? It would waste his time and money not to mention he wouldn't even been on all the state ballots. I wish third parties would work in our system, but it just won't happen. The people in charge won't allow it to happen because they have all the power. Our country may be great, but it is far from a perfect democracy. (especially since it is a republic)

Ironically, it's that sentiment that keeps the status quo going. If enough people being to vote for a third party, one or both of the main parties will chance their stance. The Libertarians have likely cost the GOP several Senate and House seats in the last 6 years, and almost the Presidency twice.
If they go by my views, I vote libertarian, sadly though, few share enough of my views so I end up having to vote Republican. I have very messed up views of the world.
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Kedz, you never really answered my question. How do you personally feel about this as a conservative? Do you no longer believe he should be a candidate for the presidency b/c of this ? Are you embarrassed by conservatives bringing this up?
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HuskieFan84 Wrote:Kedz, you never really answered my question. How do you personally feel about this as a conservative? Do you no longer believe he should be a candidate for the presidency b/c of this ? Are you embarrassed by conservatives bringing this up?

Sorry for not responding to this earlier. I wasn't avoiding the question, I just did not think I had time to address it - now I do...

As a Christian, I view the world through that lense. It is a Christian worldview. There are a lot of grey area issues in a secular society that are very black and white to me. For example, I think abortion is a bad idea. I think sexual promiscuity is a bad idea (regardless whether it be heterosexual or homosexual - the issue is first rooted in purity, for me). I believe in the absolute Holiness of God. I believe in the sinfulness of mankind. That chasm between holiness and sinfulness is insurmountable. Only the Holy one can create a way for the sinful one to be redeemed. The sinful one cannot say, "I will do this or that to overcome my sinfulness and win God's favor". That is illogical. Therefore I embrace Christ as God's provision to redeem me to himself. I do not deserve God's grace, it is a gift, and I am thankful for the gift of Christ's substitutionary death in my stead. Since age 25, that has been my new world view. Everything else comes in 2nd place.

Politics come in 2nd place, and are, naturally, influenced by my Christian worldview. This new wrinkle with Obama being raised by Muslims and sent to seminary school at an Islamic Madrassa has no effect on my Christian believe system at all. It is a non-issue. As I've said in earlier posts, I don't believe Obama is a Muslim. I don't even believe what he may have learned in those Madrassas influences his political or personal decision-making (although many posters on this board seem to skim over my comments and then make foolish indictments toward me. Not sure if they are not good readers, or they just have it out for me...)

My feelings toward Obama are #1 that he has too little experience. #2 that there are better candidates in the Democratic party (namely Edwards) and #3 that Obama has a very liberal voting record. Let me back up #3 with a fact. There is a very liberal, pro-abortion organization known as NARAL (National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws). When they agree with me, you know the issue is radical. Well, NARAL voted to support funding for medical help for surviving fetus' who have survived botched abortions. NARAL voted for helping the fetus, Obama voted against it.

Not wanting to help a partially chopped up - yet still breathing baby who survived a late term abortion is a hard position to defend in a national election. Obama is for partial birth abortion. If you are not familiar with the practice, that is where a doctor delivers the head of the baby only (the torso and legs are still in the mother's vaginal canal). With the head of the baby out, the doctor jams a pair of forcepts into the base of the baby's skull and scrambles its brains - thus killing a perfectly viable baby at full term. Once the baby is dead, they fully deliver the baby and can count is as an abortion, not murder. That practice is legal in this country today.

We have been fighting a global war on terror since the Carter administrations in the late 1970's. Our nation and people have suffered thousands of deaths at the hands of militant, Islamic fundamentalists. I do not believe Obama is one of them. My preference, however, is to have a president (Democrat or Republican) who is tough on terrorism. I don't want to risk having the leader of our country who may be soft or sympathetic on terrorism. When news of his education in Islamic Madrassas comes out into the mainstream media, I think it will be a negative association he will not be able to shake. Mit Romney of Massachusetts risks the same fate for being a Mormon. This is not fair, but many don't have the stomach for it. Those are not my feelings (though some would assert so, wrongly). For me, Obama is too inexperienced, too liberal and not the best candidate.

I don't think any of us will have the opportunity to vote for him. He won't make the cut. You can thank the racist Democrat union members who wont want to see a woman or a black man serve in the highest elected position in this country. Hillary and Obama will not win the nomination.
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Kedzman Wrote:
HuskieFan84 Wrote:Kedz, you never really answered my question. How do you personally feel about this as a conservative? Do you no longer believe he should be a candidate for the presidency b/c of this ? Are you embarrassed by conservatives bringing this up?

Sorry for not responding to this earlier. I wasn't avoiding the question, I just did not think I had time to address it - now I do...

As a Christian, I view the world through that lense. It is a Christian worldview. There are a lot of grey area issues in a secular society that are very black and white to me. For example, I think abortion is a bad idea. I think sexual promiscuity is a bad idea (regardless whether it be heterosexual or homosexual - the issue is first rooted in purity, for me). I believe in the absolute Holiness of God. I believe in the sinfulness of mankind. That chasm between holiness and sinfulness is insurmountable. Only the Holy one can create a way for the sinful one to be redeemed. The sinful one cannot say, "I will do this or that to overcome my sinfulness and win God's favor". That is illogical. Therefore I embrace Christ as God's provision to redeem me to himself. I do not deserve God's grace, it is a gift, and I am thankful for the gift of Christ's substitutionary death in my stead. Since age 25, that has been my new world view. Everything else comes in 2nd place.

Politics come in 2nd place, and are, naturally, influenced by my Christian worldview. This new wrinkle with Obama being raised by Muslims and sent to seminary school at an Islamic Madrassa has no effect on my Christian believe system at all. It is a non-issue. As I've said in earlier posts, I don't believe Obama is a Muslim. I don't even believe what he may have learned in those Madrassas influences his political or personal decision-making (although many posters on this board seem to skim over my comments and then make foolish indictments toward me. Not sure if they are not good readers, or they just have it out for me...)

My feelings toward Obama are #1 that he has too little experience. #2 that there are better candidates in the Democratic party (namely Edwards) and #3 that Obama has a very liberal voting record. Let me back up #3 with a fact. There is a very liberal, pro-abortion organization known as NARAL (National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws). When they agree with me, you know the issue is radical. Well, NARAL voted to support funding for medical help for surviving fetus' who have survived botched abortions. NARAL voted for helping the fetus, Obama voted against it.

Not wanting to help a partially chopped up - yet still breathing baby who survived a late term abortion is a hard position to defend in a national election. Obama is for partial birth abortion. If you are not familiar with the practice, that is where a doctor delivers the head of the baby only (the torso and legs are still in the mother's vaginal canal). With the head of the baby out, the doctor jams a pair of forcepts into the base of the baby's skull and scrambles its brains - thus killing a perfectly viable baby at full term. Once the baby is dead, they fully deliver the baby and can count is as an abortion, not murder. That practice is legal in this country today.

We have been fighting a global war on terror since the Carter administrations in the late 1970's. Our nation and people have suffered thousands of deaths at the hands of militant, Islamic fundamentalists. I do not believe Obama is one of them. My preference, however, is to have a president (Democrat or Republican) who is tough on terrorism. I don't want to risk having the leader of our country who may be soft or sympathetic on terrorism. When news of his education in Islamic Madrassas comes out into the mainstream media, I think it will be a negative association he will not be able to shake. Mit Romney of Massachusetts risks the same fate for being a Mormon. This is not fair, but many don't have the stomach for it. Those are not my feelings (though some would assert so, wrongly). For me, Obama is too inexperienced, too liberal and not the best candidate.

I don't think any of us will have the opportunity to vote for him. He won't make the cut. You can thank the racist Democrat union members who wont want to see a woman or a black man serve in the highest elected position in this country. Hillary and Obama will not win the nomination.
+1 on everything about Obama.
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Kedz would you not vote for someone if they were muslim ?
Muslims.. besides extremists (same for Christians.. something you would have to admit if you are an honest man) also believe in the things you mentioned :For example, I think abortion is a bad idea. I think sexual promiscuity is a bad idea
Regardless of Obama's political views, expierence, etc.. just.. if someone you felt qualified and was a conservative and republican. But happened to be Muslim, would you vote for them? Or are you too close minded to accept anyone else's beliefs?
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