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RE: Please tell me why waiting is better than expanding now
(06-20-2010 08:00 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  grace
As i posted in another thread, I was told there is NO objection to expanding by any Big East school, BUT the only sticking point is revenue. If the additions increase the pay outs they will be added , if they dont they wont.
Stability is not a huge point because none of the possible additions will keep any of our schools from being poached by Big Ten, SEC or ACC if they chose to and all the possible additions will still be there. Its all about the money

ECU's AD Terry Holland has publicly stated that he made a proposal to the BE that ECU would take NO $$$ from the BE until we earned it, based on BE criteria. How much better can you get?
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RE: Please tell me why waiting is better than expanding now
If we added Memphis and UCF:
-Add Orlando and Memphis markets
-Reduce OOC payouts in football
-Add the Fed Ex sponsorship offer
-Add Memphis bball credits
-Add the B.E.N. the same year as they come on board

Legit question here, I don't know. With those revenue streams above would this makeup or surpass the pieces of the pie we all would lose by adding?

I think we ultimately need 12 teams, but I am on board with doing 2 first then 2 as soon as we see it is a positive move, maybe 1 year later, maybe 2-3 years later, but all in place for new tv deal.

Btw, UCF is located in Orlando, which is home to Disney, which owns a sports tv network, whom we will be renegotiating a deal with in a few years.
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RE: Please tell me why waiting is better than expanding now
(06-20-2010 08:12 AM)Den Wrote:  
(06-20-2010 08:00 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  grace
As i posted in another thread, I was told there is NO objection to expanding by any Big East school, BUT the only sticking point is revenue. If the additions increase the pay outs they will be added , if they dont they wont.
Stability is not a huge point because none of the possible additions will keep any of our schools from being poached by Big Ten, SEC or ACC if they chose to and all the possible additions will still be there. Its all about the money

ECU's AD Terry Holland has publicly stated that he made a proposal to the BE that ECU would take NO $$$ from the BE until we earned it, based on BE criteria. How much better can you get?

and how is that ADDING extra revenue to the league? If you are a basketball school you would now have to play ECU instead of another current Big East school and they wouldnt be thrilled by that.
While I like ECU, if the league doesnt have numbers that ECU would add those extra revenues, then its a road block.
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(06-20-2010 08:21 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  and how is that ADDING extra revenue to the league? If you are a basketball school you would now have to play ECU instead of another current Big East school and they wouldnt be thrilled by that.
While I like ECU, if the league doesnt have numbers that ECU would add those extra revenues, then its a road block.

Doesn't seem to be a loss or a gain, so it's a neutral. IMHO, it does defeat the point that many here make about adding ECU would make the BE LESS $$$...
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(06-20-2010 12:23 AM)mullinsworld Wrote:  Sort of like Louisville, Cincinnati and USF were????? Fail! 03-banghead

The problem is the situations aren't comparable. The Big East had to expand when the ACC expansion was announced back in 2004. The conference had no choice in the matter. It had to take teams or it could not sponsor football anymore. Issues at UofL, UC, and USF (academics, attendance, endowment size, revenue sharing, etc) that would have normally barred admission to the conference were overlooked because the conference needed teams.

This isn't the case now. Because the conference doesn't absolutely have to expand, the criteria for admission will be much harder. In other words, how much revenue a candidate would bring in is much more important than when UL, UC, and USF joined.
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(06-19-2010 11:29 PM)Mickavelli Wrote:  Another reason, forgetting where you came from.

That isn't a reason to add a team. If I start a high tech microprocessor company, does that mean I should go back and hire everyone from my rural Kentucky hometown to work for me, regardless of whether they are qualified for nano-engineering research or not?
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RE: Please tell me why waiting is better than expanding now
(06-20-2010 08:23 AM)Den Wrote:  
(06-20-2010 08:21 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  and how is that ADDING extra revenue to the league? If you are a basketball school you would now have to play ECU instead of another current Big East school and they wouldnt be thrilled by that.
While I like ECU, if the league doesnt have numbers that ECU would add those extra revenues, then its a road block.

Doesn't seem to be a loss or a gain, so it's a neutral. IMHO, it does defeat the point that many here make about adding ECU would make the BE LESS $$$...

If you teall any of the Big East basketball schools that they would play ones less game vs. the power schools to play ECU. That would be consider a loss. and yes certaintly Rutgers and USF are NOT basketball powers, but the fact is that if you add ECU they would NOT replace Rutgers, USF in EVERYONE's schedule. Someone will lose a game vs Cuse, Notre Dame, Gtown etc and that would not go well.
and the question becomes, How long before ECU turns a profit to the Big East? You think they would wait 10 years if that was the case?
How about if ECU goes to BCS bowl? Would that mean they met requirement, eventhough TV revenues might not have been increased by their adidtion?
I dont believe anyone will be added right now, unless there is proof that they will ADD money from the get go.
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(06-20-2010 12:28 AM)mullinsworld Wrote:  Right now the BE payout is the least of any league. The only way to pay out more is to have more tv and to have more teams.

That is completely illogical. There is no guarantee that adding teams would increase BE pay outs. If that was the case, a split and expansion would have already occurred back in 2005. You are forgetting that it is equally, if not more likely, that adding teams will decrease BE payouts.


(06-20-2010 12:28 AM)mullinsworld Wrote:  Because guess what in less than 2 years some schools aren't going to be in the BE anymore.

That is speculation at this point.
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(06-20-2010 08:24 AM)UofL07 Wrote:  The problem is the situations aren't comparable. The Big East had to expand when the ACC expansion was announced back in 2004. The conference had no choice in the matter. It had to take teams or it could not sponsor football anymore. Issues at UofL, UC, and USF (academics, attendance, endowment size, revenue sharing, etc) that would have normally barred admission to the conference were overlooked because the conference needed teams.

This isn't the case now. Because the conference doesn't absolutely have to expand, the criteria for admission will be much harder. In other words, how much revenue a candidate would bring in is much more important than when UL, UC, and USF joined.

Good points. The rules / criteria have changed...
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(06-20-2010 08:23 AM)Den Wrote:  
(06-20-2010 08:21 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  and how is that ADDING extra revenue to the league? If you are a basketball school you would now have to play ECU instead of another current Big East school and they wouldnt be thrilled by that.
While I like ECU, if the league doesnt have numbers that ECU would add those extra revenues, then its a road block.

Doesn't seem to be a loss or a gain, so it's a neutral. IMHO, it does defeat the point that many here make about adding ECU would make the BE LESS $$$...

If a team is added to the Big East, it will have to increase the revenues of the schools already in the league. Adding someone not bringing additional revenues will cause teams to lose the opportunity for an additional home game each year against an opponent that doesn't require a return trip. Everyone makes more money for OOC home games than they do for going on the road in a league game.

If a team doesn't increase the revenues for existing members, then what is the benefit to existing members for adding them? Especially when it will cause a loss of revenues.
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