I supposed you are making a good argument to SOMEONE, but it sure as **** isn't me.

(12-14-2017 02:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  first off, I absolutely LOL at you hanging on bWAR when during seasons, you want to use fWAR 100%. that's absolutely rich. I'll remember that next summer when Sale gets off to his normal great start and folks say the Cy Young is locked up again because of bWAR.

Hey Sgt Strawman, I can give you multiple examples of me siting both fWAR AND bWAR from this season's thread. In at least one post I acknowledged the disparity! The reason I cite fWAR more often than bWAR is because, as I'm sure you know, fangraphs is just an easier database to manipulate. It's a pain to get data out of BR sometimes. So you get what you can and acknowledge there's some imprecision around calcs like WAR.

And speaking of argumentive fallacies, you get a two-fer on this one, since you really don't even address the bWAR issue - you just attack my cite. So +2 for what amounts to ad hominem!

Quote:The 80's AL had more HOF batters than most every decade. Think about all the 80's.

This is arm waving. You've got to show that offense was SO much more productive in the 80s that an ERA near 4 is HOF-eligible. Tough to do when there are guys with much better looking numbers in a much more offensive era (90s).

Quote:Also, post season success means something. It's called the Hall of FAME. 10 shutout innings 1991.

OK. Hall of Fame performance, but does that make his career?