(01-12-2017 02:58 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 02:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 12:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 10:01 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 09:54 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Wut?

Can someone else help me with this one?

It's easy if you try. When you're managing the clock at end of game, the advantage comes by stopping the clock before additional seconds run off. If the clock is already stopped (dead balls, free throws - your suggestions), a TO gets you no clock advantage. And if you call it after their made basket, it gets you nothing because you're already inbounding the ball.

Go back and watch the last 2 minutes. How much clock would have been saved by any timeout we could have called? None. Zero.

Wow.

Do you understand what timeouts do outside of "saving the clock?"

This is getting more and more interesting as you continue.

You're trying too hard to tilt at windmills. There are plenty of things to complain about the game last night. Having timeouts at the end of the game is really not one of them. Maybe 10th on the list?

You still didn't answer the question - so I'll expand it to make it easier for you. Where could we have used those 2 timeouts at any point in the 2nd half that would have made a difference? Do you think we should have used them while we were making the run? Or maybe when the clock was already stopped after Tulsa had just made free throws?

Why are you so concerned about timeouts being used for the sole purpose of "stopping the clock?"

How many times are timeouts NOT used to stop the clock but to compose a team after a run of bad plays (hence the adage "Get a t.o. baby...!!"--not for the purpose of stopping the clock, right?).

Here are a couple places that came to mind watching the game:

With 4:40 in the game, Memphis was up 66-65.
In the next two minutes of play, the Tigers:
Turned the ball over and Tulsa scored a layup
Turned the ball over
Stole the ball and made 1-2 FT's
Turned the ball over and Tulsa scored a layup

At that point, there was 2:48 to go. Tulsa is now up 69-67. Memphis had made one basket in the last three minutes and turned the ball over three times. Four of the guys on the court had played at least 32 minutes at that point.

That might have been a good time to call a timeout. To refocus the team, set up a good play and reset assignments and to refocus on basics like boxing out.

If you don't like a timeout there, then:

The play after that Dedric scores, the Tulsa comes down, misses a shot and Edogi gets a rebound and slams the ball. What little crowd gets excited. 71-69 Tulsa with 2:02 to go.

Might be a good time then. Slow the momentum down after the dunk.

But, if you want to wait some more:

Next play, Dedric takes a quick shot, Tulsa takes the ball down and Dedric commits a foul and the Tulsa player gets an and-1. Makes the FT.

Now it's 74-69 Tulsa with 1:18 to go. Tigers have two timeouts. Surely this is a good time to call one. Try to decide whether to go for two or three.


Nope.

Martin comes down and gets stuffed. Rivers fouls, Tulsa makes FT and is now up 7.

Lawson misses a three with 1:08 to go. The Tigers go 20 seconds without fouling and finally foul with 12 seconds or so on the shot clock.

Memphis ended up making one basket in the last 5 minutes of the game (not counting Dedric's uncontested shot with :02 to go) and only 5 total points in the last 5:44 of the game. And 4 turnovers.

There were multiple opportunities to call a TO to refocus the team or to "draw up a play" but whatever.

So at the 4:40 mark, it had been a 1-possession game for the previous 8 minutes. It was still a 1-possession game, but you would feel the need to call a to? Hindsight and all about what WAS ABOUT to happen. But at the time, no sense to call a TO.

At 2:48, still a 1-possession game, but you honestly think a TO was warranted? To setup a play. We scored on that next possession - DL on a jumper. 16 seconds. Tie game. How does a TO help?

At 2:02, still a 1-possession game. It's been that way for over 10 minutes. You think it's the right time? Because you know the wheels are about to fall off, right.

DL takes the next shot 18 seconds in. Not exactly a "quick shot".

So there's no place a non-clairvoyant would call one where it helps. That's a fact.

Over the next 1:18 the wheels fall off. You could call a TO after they score. How does it help? You can't stop the clock. You could set a play. If you think the magic was in the play setting - not execution or rebounding - then go for it. I don't see any scenario where the TO changes the outcome. They hit every shot over the final minute and we missed every shot until DL's jumper with 3 seconds left.

But if that's your new thing - Tubby's floor coaching - and you're off the recruiting drumbeat for a little while...go for it!