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MAC and CUSA are pretty close and you could argue either way. I doubt there are southeast recruits choosing to go to the MAC over CUSA because they perceive it to be a better conference.

I would disagree, since the MAC has higher profile and more visibility than CUSA. Case in point when was the last time a CUSA team played on New Year's day? Or then was the last time a CUSA team played on ESPN or ESPN2. MAC is light years ahead of CUSA in terms of visibility.

(11-03-2017 12:59 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  I would disagree, since the MAC has higher and more visibility than CUSA. Case in point when was the last time a CUSA team played on New Year's day? Or then was the last time a CUSA team played on ESPN or ESPN2. MAC is light years ahead of CUSA in terms of visibility.

So are you saying the MAC has higher visibility or better teams?

I think people are stuck in the past in terms of "conference is on ESPN, it must be better." Have MAC teams been on ESPN this year (I have no idea). I tune into to ESPN3 and just pick which game I want to watch.

I am saying both, MAC schools get higher quality OOC games and do not embarrass themselves as badly as CUSA schools against P5 competition. Viewing habits are unique to each person, but yes the MAC is on ESPN or ESPN2 every week and those are still two of the largest footprints that college football has. As for the players that is regional as it is for most schools outside the top programs.

FWIW, CUSA is 43-32 all time vs. the MAC and 12-9 in bowl games. They are 25-16 in this decade. In the last 5 years, CUSA is 20-13 vs. the MAC. Obviously, that doesn't tell the entire story.

I'm not sure a strong argument could be mad that the MAC is a better conference in terms of actual play. This year, the teams are ranked as follows according to football outsiders:

Toledo 25
EMU 48
Ohio 49
Eastern Michigan 60
Mia 72
Buff 76
Central 94
Akro n 106
Bowling 119
Ball State 121
Kent 126

FAU 35
UTSA 47
SM 50
Marshall 55
NT 80
LT 82
UAB 84
EKY 89
FIU 97
MTSU 105
ODU 117
Charlotte 125
UTEP 128
Rice 129

(11-03-2017 07:49 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  If we lose to Charlotte, his seat will officially move from Luke warm to Warm. Not Hot yet tho.

I would say....it is on Medium now....and will go to High if we lose on Homecoming to a horrible UNCC team.

(11-03-2017 02:07 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 07:49 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  If we lose to Charlotte, his seat will officially move from Luke warm to Warm. Not Hot yet tho.

I would say....it is on Medium now....and will go to High if we lose on Homecoming to a horrible UNCC team.

Lol, you are pissing into the wind. No one believes Wilder is anywhere close to the hot seat. (well, not no one, just a tiny amount)

(11-03-2017 01:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, CUSA is 43-32 all time vs. the MAC and 12-9 in bowl games. They are 25-16 in this decade. In the last 5 years, CUSA is 20-13 vs. the MAC. Obviously, that doesn't tell the entire story.

I'm not sure a strong argument could be mad that the MAC is a better conference in terms of actual play. This year, the teams are ranked as follows according to football outsiders:

Toledo 25
EMU 48
Ohio 49
Eastern Michigan 60
Mia 72
Buff 76
Central 94
Akro n 106
Bowling 119
Ball State 121
Kent 126

FAU 35
UTSA 47
SM 50
Marshall 55
NT 80
LT 82
UAB 84
EKY 89
FIU 97
MTSU 105
ODU 117
Charlotte 125
UTEP 128
Rice 129

I see your point, but you are giving CUSA credit for victories of schools no longer in the conference. All time is irrelevant since our league has had more school changes versus the MAC, even the last decade stats should be thrown out. For an apples to apples comparison you need to look at stats since ODU entered CUSA. I think those stats will paint a very different picture.

ESPN Football Power Rankings
Top 50
MAC - 1, CUSA 0
Top 100
MAC 9, CUSA 6
Over 120
MAC 2, CUSA 4

Florida Atlantic is the best CUSA team right now and they lost to the #5 team in the MAC East 34-31 (Buffalo 3-6, 1-4)

I think we are seeing the numbers differently, but I enjoy the mental gymnastics

In the last 5 years record, there is 1 win and 1 loss from teams not in CUSA. Yeah, FAU isn't the same team as when they looked terrible vs. Buffalo and Navy, but you can't argue against them losing.

I am not familiar with ESPN football power rankings so I will look into that. Is that actually the football power index? FWIW, that power index is meant as a predictor of the teams performance in the future for the rest of the season, not a analysis of what the team has accomplished so far in the season.

Using things like 50-100 creates a wide potential gap between teams. The number 50 team is nowhere comparable to the number 99, for example. If I were to use ESPN as a gauge, I would use their team inefficiencies analysis, though that comes with its own set of flaws.

Toledo is probably the best team of the 2 conferences. FAU is rising. They both have multiple teams in the bottom 15 to 20 in the NCAA. Somewhere in the middle contains the majority of the teams. I just don't see much difference. The MAC seems to draw a lot of nothern kids where CUSA draws a lot of southern kids. I haven't analyzed, but I would be surprised if the MAC outrecruits CUSA schools for kids that CUSA is going for..mainly south and south east. Maybe Marshall goes head to head vs. MAC schools?

(11-03-2017 02:39 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 01:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, CUSA is 43-32 all time vs. the MAC and 12-9 in bowl games. They are 25-16 in this decade. In the last 5 years, CUSA is 20-13 vs. the MAC. Obviously, that doesn't tell the entire story.

I'm not sure a strong argument could be mad that the MAC is a better conference in terms of actual play. This year, the teams are ranked as follows according to football outsiders:

Toledo 25
EMU 48
Ohio 49
Eastern Michigan 60
Mia 72
Buff 76
Central 94
Akro n 106
Bowling 119
Ball State 121
Kent 126

FAU 35
UTSA 47
SM 50
Marshall 55
NT 80
LT 82
UAB 84
EKY 89
FIU 97
MTSU 105
ODU 117
Charlotte 125
UTEP 128
Rice 129

I see your point, but you are giving CUSA credit for victories of schools no longer in the conference. All time is irrelevant since our league has had more school changes versus the MAC, even the last decade stats should be thrown out. For an apples to apples comparison you need to look at stats since ODU entered CUSA. I think those stats will paint a very different picture.

ESPN Football Power Rankings
Top 50
MAC - 1, CUSA 0
Top 100
MAC 9, CUSA 6
Over 120
MAC 2, CUSA 4

Florida Atlantic is the best CUSA team right now and they lost to the #5 team in the MAC East 34-31 (Buffalo 3-6, 1-4)

I think we are seeing the numbers differently, but I enjoy the mental gymnastics

Florida Atlantic has markedly improved over the course of the season. I'd take them in a Buffalo rematch. Not sure about Navy because triple option, even with the recent downturn, but I'm definitely impressed with what they're doing down there (down where? down THERE).

(11-03-2017 03:00 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 02:39 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 01:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, CUSA is 43-32 all time vs. the MAC and 12-9 in bowl games. They are 25-16 in this decade. In the last 5 years, CUSA is 20-13 vs. the MAC. Obviously, that doesn't tell the entire story.

I'm not sure a strong argument could be mad that the MAC is a better conference in terms of actual play. This year, the teams are ranked as follows according to football outsiders:

Toledo 25
EMU 48
Ohio 49
Eastern Michigan 60
Mia 72
Buff 76
Central 94
Akro n 106
Bowling 119
Ball State 121
Kent 126

FAU 35
UTSA 47
SM 50
Marshall 55
NT 80
LT 82
UAB 84
EKY 89
FIU 97
MTSU 105
ODU 117
Charlotte 125
UTEP 128
Rice 129

I see your point, but you are giving CUSA credit for victories of schools no longer in the conference. All time is irrelevant since our league has had more school changes versus the MAC, even the last decade stats should be thrown out. For an apples to apples comparison you need to look at stats since ODU entered CUSA. I think those stats will paint a very different picture.

ESPN Football Power Rankings
Top 50
MAC - 1, CUSA 0
Top 100
MAC 9, CUSA 6
Over 120
MAC 2, CUSA 4

Florida Atlantic is the best CUSA team right now and they lost to the #5 team in the MAC East 34-31 (Buffalo 3-6, 1-4)

I think we are seeing the numbers differently, but I enjoy the mental gymnastics

Florida Atlantic has markedly improved over the course of the season. I'd take them in a Buffalo rematch. Not sure about Navy because triple option, even with the recent downturn, but I'm definitely impressed with what they're doing down there (down where? down THERE).

I bet, but that was the last game they played before entering conference play, which kind of makes the point. FAU had their shot at defeating a lower tier MAC school and could not get the job done.

(11-03-2017 02:07 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 07:49 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  If we lose to Charlotte, his seat will officially move from Luke warm to Warm. Not Hot yet tho.

I would say....it is on Medium now....and will go to High if we lose on Homecoming to a horrible UNCC team.

Wishing a fart was a salmon does not make it so...also, extra points to cmett003 for more descriptive settings on his Hot Seat.

(11-03-2017 03:08 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 03:00 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 02:39 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 01:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, CUSA is 43-32 all time vs. the MAC and 12-9 in bowl games. They are 25-16 in this decade. In the last 5 years, CUSA is 20-13 vs. the MAC. Obviously, that doesn't tell the entire story.

I'm not sure a strong argument could be mad that the MAC is a better conference in terms of actual play. This year, the teams are ranked as follows according to football outsiders:

Toledo 25
EMU 48
Ohio 49
Eastern Michigan 60
Mia 72
Buff 76
Central 94
Akro n 106
Bowling 119
Ball State 121
Kent 126

FAU 35
UTSA 47
SM 50
Marshall 55
NT 80
LT 82
UAB 84
EKY 89
FIU 97
MTSU 105
ODU 117
Charlotte 125
UTEP 128
Rice 129

I see your point, but you are giving CUSA credit for victories of schools no longer in the conference. All time is irrelevant since our league has had more school changes versus the MAC, even the last decade stats should be thrown out. For an apples to apples comparison you need to look at stats since ODU entered CUSA. I think those stats will paint a very different picture.

ESPN Football Power Rankings
Top 50
MAC - 1, CUSA 0
Top 100
MAC 9, CUSA 6
Over 120
MAC 2, CUSA 4

Florida Atlantic is the best CUSA team right now and they lost to the #5 team in the MAC East 34-31 (Buffalo 3-6, 1-4)

I think we are seeing the numbers differently, but I enjoy the mental gymnastics

Florida Atlantic has markedly improved over the course of the season. I'd take them in a Buffalo rematch. Not sure about Navy because triple option, even with the recent downturn, but I'm definitely impressed with what they're doing down there (down where? down THERE).

I bet, but that was the last game they played before entering conference play, which kind of makes the point. FAU had their shot at defeating a lower tier MAC school and could not get the job done.

I don't disagree with the surface statement, just the underlying implication that FAU, arguably the best CUSA team, is beneath a middling MAC school which informs a hierarchy of G5 conferences. Beyond the usual on-any-given-Saturday proviso, I think it's safe to say that of any CUSA school (and maybe even any FBS) school, the difference between FAU at the beginning of the season and FAU today is oceanic in scale. I'd put money on FAU to win and cover against Buffalo in a rematch in Florida, New York or Parts Unknown.

Where FAU (or any of the top CUSA teams, such as they are) would slot within the MAC is its own debate—FWIW, I think an FAU-Toledo matchup would be low-key intriguing.

I have a theory. I think with the Derek Wilder issues there are more family issues than we know. The younger Wilder is playing Football in Williamsburg at Jamestown HS. Did the whole family leave the Larchmont neighborhood or did Mrs. Wilder and baby Wilder up and leave. That can put hell on job performance. Just saying! Derek Wilder went to Maury.

(11-04-2017 11:16 PM)TedHead Wrote:  I have a theory. I think with the Derek Wilder issues there are more family issues than we know. The younger Wilder is playing Football in Williamsburg at Jamestown HS. Did the whole family leave the Larchmont neighborhood or did Mrs. Wilder and baby Wilder up and leave. That can put hell on job performance. Just saying! Derek Wilder went to Maury.

Wow, I had never thought of that. But with as much as Coach Wilder is in the public, it seems that information would be hard to keep secret.

Check around the info is out there and not that hard to come by - as well as the covering stories from some kind folks who want to protect the privacy of the Wilder family.

End thread now

(11-05-2017 01:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  End thread now

agreed. no more posts from me on this topic.

(11-05-2017 07:27 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(11-04-2017 11:16 PM)TedHead Wrote:  I have a theory. I think with the Derek Wilder issues there are more family issues than we know. The younger Wilder is playing Football in Williamsburg at Jamestown HS. Did the whole family leave the Larchmont neighborhood or did Mrs. Wilder and baby Wilder up and leave. That can put hell on job performance. Just saying! Derek Wilder went to Maury.

Wow, I had never thought of that. But with as much as Coach Wilder is in the public, it seems that information would be hard to keep secret.

Again, just a theory. I have heard no gossip or rumors nor am I starting one. I respect the family privacy, but I follow Bobby on Twitter and just putting 2 and 2 together. I know what everyone else knows about the elder Wilder issues and the motorcycle. I saw pictures of the younger Wilder in Jamestown HS football uniform on twitter at the start of the High School Football Season. He was playing varsity as a Freshman.

End thread now