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RE: USM, ECU, UAB and possibly others to Sun Belt?
I don't want stuck with the whole Sun Belt, but I wouldn't mind this.

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02-18-2012 02:29 PM
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(02-18-2012 02:08 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  
(02-18-2012 01:36 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  The additions of USM, ECU and some others from CUSA could make the SunBelt decent. It'll also allow the schools to actually drive to away games and create more regional rivalries. If the CUSA east and Tulane joined...it could be a pretty good conference. MWC can consume UTEP and Tulsa and remain a decent conference, too.

Actually...CUSA should just keep the East and Tulane and expand with the SunBelt teams they want and let UTEP and Tulsa go to the MWC. Grab WKU, FIU, FAU, La Tech, Troy, South Alabama and MTSU...along with USM, ECU, Tulane, Marshall and UAB would be regional and fairly decent. Plus...it gives not one but two Florida teams to hate.

The travel expenses in the proposed CUSA/MWC alliance will be brutal for all-sports. Think about it.

You're a dumb***. Hell CUSA should add Alabama, Florida, Georgia and Tennessee. That will make CUSA "could be a pretty good conference".

Wow...easy there. Just some thoughts. Maybe substitute South Alabama for Temple. If UCF weren't going to the Big East...I'd prefer to have a regional conference.
02-18-2012 02:33 PM
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RE: USM, ECU, UAB and possibly others to Sun Belt?
(02-18-2012 02:22 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  
(02-18-2012 01:23 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  Any mixing of the Sun Belt/CUSA would cause challenges for even the richest Sun Belt schools.

Using the below website, here are the numbers for income from tickets sold and contributions for CUSA and Sunbelt schools. I used those numbers because those are the best indicators that I know of to use as an indication of how supportive alums and the local community are of the program.

Attendance numbers are easily juggled as we've all seen, income from tickets sold isn't as easily inflated.

USA Today College Athletics Finance Data Base, using 2009/2010 which are the latest available.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ncaa-finances.htm

School/Ticket Income/Contributions
ECU /6.1M /4.4M
USM /2.9M /7.3M
UAB /1.2M /4.3M
MU /2.8M /3.6M
UTEP /2.8M /3.3M
(Private schools Tulsa/Tulane/Rice aren't required to report)

ASU /.9M /.6M
WKU /1.7M /2.4M
FIU /.5M /.4M
UNT .7M /.6M
ULM .5M /1.5M
Troy /.9M / 2.3M
MTSU /1.5M /.2M
FAU /.5M /.7M



Going by those numbers the only schools we should be looking at are Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee.

Agreed. The balance of the schools haven't demonstrated local fan/alum commitment to compete season in/season out at CUSA's level.

I don't know of a better way to gauge long-term commitment.
02-18-2012 02:37 PM
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Quote:"The Sun Belt could make a play to snag Conference USA schools in the southeast such as UAB, Southern Miss, East Carolina and others."

Oooh.
We were on our way to the new Alliance conference, but we got "snagged" by the Sun Belt. Sounds like a thornbush that you can't get out of.
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(02-18-2012 01:36 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  The additions of USM, ECU and some others from CUSA could make the SunBelt decent. It'll also allow the schools to actually drive to away games and create more regional rivalries. If the CUSA east and Tulane joined...it could be a pretty good conference. MWC can consume UTEP and Tulsa and remain a decent conference, too.

Actually...CUSA should just keep the East and Tulane and expand with the SunBelt teams they want and let UTEP and Tulsa go to the MWC. Grab WKU, FIU, FAU, La Tech, Troy, South Alabama and MTSU...along with USM, ECU, Tulane, Marshall and UAB would be regional and fairly decent. Plus...it gives not one but two Florida teams to hate.

The travel expenses in the proposed CUSA/MWC alliance will be brutal for all-sports. Think about it.

I understand why the ECU and Marshall fans hate UCF fans now. I used to believe ECU and Marshall fans were just mostly thin-skinned jerks (save for a few buddies I know) and UCF fans were relatively neutral. I was wrong and for that I apologize to the Pirates and Thundering Herd fans.
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(02-18-2012 01:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(02-18-2012 01:36 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  The additions of USM, ECU and some others from CUSA could make the SunBelt decent. It'll also allow the schools to actually drive to away games and create more regional rivalries. If the CUSA east and Tulane joined...it could be a pretty good conference. MWC can consume UTEP and Tulsa and remain a decent conference, too.

Actually...CUSA should just keep the East and Tulane and expand with the SunBelt teams they want and let UTEP and Tulsa go to the MWC. Grab WKU, FIU, FAU, La Tech, Troy, South Alabama and MTSU...along with USM, ECU, Tulane, Marshall and UAB would be regional and fairly decent. Plus...it gives not one but two Florida teams to hate.

The travel expenses in the proposed CUSA/MWC alliance will be brutal for all-sports. Think about it.

Do you understand the geography for ECU? The Sun-Belt isn't that good for ECU, and isn't a driving league. There's zero positive in it for ECU. It's a silly and stupid idea.

How's the geography now, for ECU? Even with CUSA in its current state, it's not ideal for ECU. The ACC would be the most ideal for ECU....but they're not calling. It's not all about what ECU, anyhow.

The Big East will have some football travel...but UCF doesn't have to travel out west for all-sports...just football. There's a difference, there. CUSA/MWC will be nice at first to play some new teams...but after a while, that'll become tough and costly. Like I said before...if UCF wasn't going to the Big East, I'd prefer the local regional conference.
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Just a bad thread, citing a bad source, with a bad idea, creating a bad reaction, and is going to have a bad ending.

Did I just create a run-on sentence? My bad.

Read again, by substituting "bad", with "f^%$ed up"
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Careful Goldenbuc, anything that looks like your talking in common sense will result in warnings and all out attacks by C-USA people.
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(02-18-2012 02:42 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Careful Goldenbuc, anything that looks like your talking in common sense will result in warnings and all out attacks by C-USA people.

..... with bad schools joining in on the bad conversation....

feel free to sub "bad" with "f'd up" 05-stirthepot[/b]
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(02-18-2012 02:39 PM)ccs178 Wrote:  
(02-18-2012 01:36 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  The additions of USM, ECU and some others from CUSA could make the SunBelt decent. It'll also allow the schools to actually drive to away games and create more regional rivalries. If the CUSA east and Tulane joined...it could be a pretty good conference. MWC can consume UTEP and Tulsa and remain a decent conference, too.

Actually...CUSA should just keep the East and Tulane and expand with the SunBelt teams they want and let UTEP and Tulsa go to the MWC. Grab WKU, FIU, FAU, La Tech, Troy, South Alabama and MTSU...along with USM, ECU, Tulane, Marshall and UAB would be regional and fairly decent. Plus...it gives not one but two Florida teams to hate.

The travel expenses in the proposed CUSA/MWC alliance will be brutal for all-sports. Think about it.

I understand why the ECU and Marshall fans hate UCF fans now. I used to believe ECU and Marshall fans were just mostly thin-skinned jerks (save for a few buddies I know) and UCF fans were relatively neutral. I was wrong and for that I apologize to the Pirates and Thundering Herd fans.

Why the hate? I'm a UCF fan, but also follow WKU. My folks, sister and bro-in-law all went to WKU. They're up and coming. I know UCF is going to the Big East, but no reason to hate. ECU, Marshall and USM would've made the same decision. Especially looking at the CUSA/MWC merger for all-sports. I'm not a big fan of the spread out geography of conferences, either...including the Big East. But it's one thing to have to travel like that for football only....another for all sports.

I'm a big college football fan and think regional rivalries are what makes college football great. I think a regional CUSA combined with some SunBelt teams can be pretty special, if given the chance. USM fans could play Troy, UAB, La Tech and Tulane in the same year and attend all of their home and away conference games.
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