(01-12-2012 08:20 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 12:54 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 06:59 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(01-10-2012 10:01 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(01-10-2012 08:51 PM)etsugrad99 Wrote:  Stanton got the money for all this stuff with the athletic fee he started after football was dropped. The proverbial "backs of the students."

What is the athletic fee now anyway? $150/semester? It's was somewhere around $125 in the last year or two. Why not take a vote on that and see what the results show? No athletic fee with football, or $150/semester and no football but a good soccer team. Hmmm, wonder how that'd turn out...

But that isn't the question.

For what it takes to run soccer every year you couldn't create a weight room for football.

You could use the soccer team van to shuttle the football staff around....maybe.

No one would be foolish enough to compare the cost of football to the cost of soccer, or to tennis, or to track, or to baseball, or even to basketball one-on-one. Anyone who has looked at this at all knows that college football is by far the most expensive college sport to play anywhere. However, football and basketball are the two sports that bring in the bulk of athletic revenue. They are the only two sports that generate, by far, the most fans. And, no reasonable person can deny that they are the only two sports that give, by wide margins, the biggest windows onto a school. All the minor sports added together pale in comparison in ticket sales, attendance, interest, and exposure. Even in the bad football years at ETSU, many more fans attended the home football games in a season than attend all the home minor sports events combined in a season today. It is a known fact that at the NCAA mid-major/FCS level, all sports are subsidized with football getting the most, basketball the second most, and the rest getting the remainder in descending order. The subsidies come from direct institutional support and student fees. Now, of course, ETSU is now different from its state and former peer regional mid-major/FCS universities. Obviously football is not in the mix, therefore the subsidies are distributed among the remaining sports and the new sport of soccer. However, Dr. Stanton continues to insist to this day that ETSU dropped football to save money, or to stop the $1 million it was "losing" (being subsidized) annually, $500,000.00 of which was coming from academics according to him. But, the very next year after football was dropped, he disagreed with himself and increased athletic spending by some $500,000.00, money which had to come from academics. What in the world is going on here? So, he didn't drop football because it was "losing" money(being subsidized). He dropped football so that the football subsidy could be used to increase the subsidies that were already going to the remaining sports, and, of course, to start up soccer. He has never discussed this reality. And, this subsidy has been increasing ever since with no hope of increased revenue in sight from ticket sales and increased fans with the current line up of sports. The athletic department even claims that they are now running a "balanced budget" department. What could that mean? So, a mid-major, regional state university like ETSU has to decide which sports line up it is going to sponsor through mostly subsidies, or pay to play. All of ETSU's peer TN state schools and former other FCS peer schools have football in their line up of sports. Why not, if a school is going to run a highly subsidized sports program, why not line your sports up in descending order from the ones that will generate the most revenue and fan support to the ones that will generate the least - that is if you want your athletic program to be the best window onto your school that it can be.

So, ETSU did not drop football to save money, or to eliminate the $1 million the program was "losing" (being subsidized). It did not even drop football in order to take basketball to a higher level. So, what was this all about?

In 2004-05, ETSU subsidized its athletic budget with direct institutional support and student fees by *67.89%. In 2009-10, ETSU subsidized its athletic budget by *77.56%. What do these numbers suggest about the state of the ETSU athletics? More fans, more revenue, more TV money, more exposure, more community interest, a more popular basketball program, a better conference, more money game revenue, a better overall athletic program without football, et al?

*USA Today NCAA college athletic finance database

Average attendance at football games, was what 5,000? I doubt it was that but it is a nice number.

5 home games

5 X 5,000 = 25,000 total attendance

That's some community interest right there

More fans?
More revenue?

Since there isn't enough fans (and there never will be), there isn't enough money to cover the massive expense of football.

Question was, what do the numbers suggest about the state of ETSU athletics TODAY, not 2003. They're spending $11 million annually on TODAY'S product as opposed to $6.7 million the last year of football. Are more people coming to ETSU's athletic events, thus generating more ticket revenue, TODAY than in 2003? If so, then there's some justification for the 64% increase in the HIGHLY SUBSIDIZED, pay to play athletic spending. Show your numbers.

irrelevant.....

(01-12-2012 08:27 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 08:20 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 12:54 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 06:59 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(01-10-2012 10:01 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  But that isn't the question.

For what it takes to run soccer every year you couldn't create a weight room for football.

You could use the soccer team van to shuttle the football staff around....maybe.

No one would be foolish enough to compare the cost of football to the cost of soccer, or to tennis, or to track, or to baseball, or even to basketball one-on-one. Anyone who has looked at this at all knows that college football is by far the most expensive college sport to play anywhere. However, football and basketball are the two sports that bring in the bulk of athletic revenue. They are the only two sports that generate, by far, the most fans. And, no reasonable person can deny that they are the only two sports that give, by wide margins, the biggest windows onto a school. All the minor sports added together pale in comparison in ticket sales, attendance, interest, and exposure. Even in the bad football years at ETSU, many more fans attended the home football games in a season than attend all the home minor sports events combined in a season today. It is a known fact that at the NCAA mid-major/FCS level, all sports are subsidized with football getting the most, basketball the second most, and the rest getting the remainder in descending order. The subsidies come from direct institutional support and student fees. Now, of course, ETSU is now different from its state and former peer regional mid-major/FCS universities. Obviously football is not in the mix, therefore the subsidies are distributed among the remaining sports and the new sport of soccer. However, Dr. Stanton continues to insist to this day that ETSU dropped football to save money, or to stop the $1 million it was "losing" (being subsidized) annually, $500,000.00 of which was coming from academics according to him. But, the very next year after football was dropped, he disagreed with himself and increased athletic spending by some $500,000.00, money which had to come from academics. What in the world is going on here? So, he didn't drop football because it was "losing" money(being subsidized). He dropped football so that the football subsidy could be used to increase the subsidies that were already going to the remaining sports, and, of course, to start up soccer. He has never discussed this reality. And, this subsidy has been increasing ever since with no hope of increased revenue in sight from ticket sales and increased fans with the current line up of sports. The athletic department even claims that they are now running a "balanced budget" department. What could that mean? So, a mid-major, regional state university like ETSU has to decide which sports line up it is going to sponsor through mostly subsidies, or pay to play. All of ETSU's peer TN state schools and former other FCS peer schools have football in their line up of sports. Why not, if a school is going to run a highly subsidized sports program, why not line your sports up in descending order from the ones that will generate the most revenue and fan support to the ones that will generate the least - that is if you want your athletic program to be the best window onto your school that it can be.

So, ETSU did not drop football to save money, or to eliminate the $1 million the program was "losing" (being subsidized). It did not even drop football in order to take basketball to a higher level. So, what was this all about?

In 2004-05, ETSU subsidized its athletic budget with direct institutional support and student fees by *67.89%. In 2009-10, ETSU subsidized its athletic budget by *77.56%. What do these numbers suggest about the state of the ETSU athletics? More fans, more revenue, more TV money, more exposure, more community interest, a more popular basketball program, a better conference, more money game revenue, a better overall athletic program without football, et al?

*USA Today NCAA college athletic finance database

Average attendance at football games, was what 5,000? I doubt it was that but it is a nice number.

5 home games

5 X 5,000 = 25,000 total attendance

That's some community interest right there

More fans?
More revenue?

Since there isn't enough fans (and there never will be), there isn't enough money to cover the massive expense of football.

Question was, what do the numbers suggest about the state of ETSU athletics TODAY, not 2003. They're spending $11 million annually on TODAY'S product as opposed to $6.7 million the last year of football. Are more people coming to ETSU's athletic events, thus generating more ticket revenue, TODAY than in 2003? If so, then there's some justification for the 64% increase in the HIGHLY SUBSIDIZED, pay to play athletic spending. Show your numbers.

irrelevant.....

You wish...........

So you're saying you couldn't upgrade the current weight room for 479,650 USD which is what it what the men's soccer budget was according to the ETSU budget found on http://www.etsu.edu?
How about the 552,990 USD spent on women's soccer according to the ETSU budget found at http://www.etsu.edu.
I'm sorry, but 100,000 dollars out of each budget buys a whole bunch of squat racks, dumbbells, and cans of paint to spiffy up part of an already built structure in the dome...

(01-10-2012 10:01 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(01-10-2012 08:51 PM)etsugrad99 Wrote:  Stanton got the money for all this stuff with the athletic fee he started after football was dropped. The proverbial "backs of the students."

What is the athletic fee now anyway? $150/semester? It's was somewhere around $125 in the last year or two. Why not take a vote on that and see what the results show? No athletic fee with football, or $150/semester and no football but a good soccer team. Hmmm, wonder how that'd turn out...

But that isn't the question.

For what it takes to run soccer every year you couldn't create a weight room for football.

You could use the soccer team van to shuttle the football staff around....maybe.

You wish...........

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if you want to pin the hopes and dreams of reinstating football to etsu on football's attendance (past or future lofty prognostications) you are in for the big hurt...

(01-12-2012 10:58 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  So you're saying you couldn't upgrade the current weight room for 479,650 USD which is what it what the men's soccer budget was according to the ETSU budget found on http://www.etsu.edu?
How about the 552,990 USD spent on women's soccer according to the ETSU budget found at http://www.etsu.edu.
I'm sorry, but 100,000 dollars out of each budget buys a whole bunch of squat racks, dumbbells, and cans of paint to spiffy up part of an already built structure in the dome...

(01-10-2012 10:01 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(01-10-2012 08:51 PM)etsugrad99 Wrote:  Stanton got the money for all this stuff with the athletic fee he started after football was dropped. The proverbial "backs of the students."

What is the athletic fee now anyway? $150/semester? It's was somewhere around $125 in the last year or two. Why not take a vote on that and see what the results show? No athletic fee with football, or $150/semester and no football but a good soccer team. Hmmm, wonder how that'd turn out...

But that isn't the question.

For what it takes to run soccer every year you couldn't create a weight room for football.

You could use the soccer team van to shuttle the football staff around....maybe.

lover, you always complain about etsu half assing everything. the current wt. room needs alot more than a couple hundred thousand to get into shape to accomodate a div. I football program. lee can only do so much with what he has in that spot, and i promise you, it cannot be done with 200k.

(01-12-2012 11:07 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 10:58 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  So you're saying you couldn't upgrade the current weight room for 479,650 USD which is what it what the men's soccer budget was according to the ETSU budget found on http://www.etsu.edu?
How about the 552,990 USD spent on women's soccer according to the ETSU budget found at http://www.etsu.edu.
I'm sorry, but 100,000 dollars out of each budget buys a whole bunch of squat racks, dumbbells, and cans of paint to spiffy up part of an already built structure in the dome...

(01-10-2012 10:01 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(01-10-2012 08:51 PM)etsugrad99 Wrote:  Stanton got the money for all this stuff with the athletic fee he started after football was dropped. The proverbial "backs of the students."

What is the athletic fee now anyway? $150/semester? It's was somewhere around $125 in the last year or two. Why not take a vote on that and see what the results show? No athletic fee with football, or $150/semester and no football but a good soccer team. Hmmm, wonder how that'd turn out...

But that isn't the question.

For what it takes to run soccer every year you couldn't create a weight room for football.

You could use the soccer team van to shuttle the football staff around....maybe.

lover, you always complain about etsu half assing everything. the current wt. room needs alot more than a couple hundred thousand to get into shape to accomodate a div. I football program. lee can only do so much with what he has in that spot, and i promise you, it cannot be done with 200k.

The room was perfectly well supporting division 1AA football as of 2003. Have to think that $200K would be more than enough renovation to get it going again. "Mr. Can't" will always find ways NOT to do anything.

(01-12-2012 11:22 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 11:07 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 10:58 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  So you're saying you couldn't upgrade the current weight room for 479,650 USD which is what it what the men's soccer budget was according to the ETSU budget found on http://www.etsu.edu?
How about the 552,990 USD spent on women's soccer according to the ETSU budget found at http://www.etsu.edu.
I'm sorry, but 100,000 dollars out of each budget buys a whole bunch of squat racks, dumbbells, and cans of paint to spiffy up part of an already built structure in the dome...

(01-10-2012 10:01 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(01-10-2012 08:51 PM)etsugrad99 Wrote:  Stanton got the money for all this stuff with the athletic fee he started after football was dropped. The proverbial "backs of the students."

What is the athletic fee now anyway? $150/semester? It's was somewhere around $125 in the last year or two. Why not take a vote on that and see what the results show? No athletic fee with football, or $150/semester and no football but a good soccer team. Hmmm, wonder how that'd turn out...

But that isn't the question.

For what it takes to run soccer every year you couldn't create a weight room for football.

You could use the soccer team van to shuttle the football staff around....maybe.

lover, you always complain about etsu half assing everything. the current wt. room needs alot more than a couple hundred thousand to get into shape to accomodate a div. I football program. lee can only do so much with what he has in that spot, and i promise you, it cannot be done with 200k.

The room was perfectly well supporting division 1AA football as of 2003. Have to think that $200K would be more than enough renovation to get it going again. "Mr. Can't" will always find ways NOT to do anything.

let me rephrase then for 81. yes, we can do it for 200K. lets take from the other sports so they are left with less resources to succeed, and half-ass a wt room for a football program that has very little success....nice to know the old etsu football mentality is still alive and well.

(01-12-2012 11:36 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 11:22 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 11:07 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 10:58 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  So you're saying you couldn't upgrade the current weight room for 479,650 USD which is what it what the men's soccer budget was according to the ETSU budget found on http://www.etsu.edu?
How about the 552,990 USD spent on women's soccer according to the ETSU budget found at http://www.etsu.edu.
I'm sorry, but 100,000 dollars out of each budget buys a whole bunch of squat racks, dumbbells, and cans of paint to spiffy up part of an already built structure in the dome...

(01-10-2012 10:01 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  But that isn't the question.

For what it takes to run soccer every year you couldn't create a weight room for football.

You could use the soccer team van to shuttle the football staff around....maybe.

lover, you always complain about etsu half assing everything. the current wt. room needs alot more than a couple hundred thousand to get into shape to accomodate a div. I football program. lee can only do so much with what he has in that spot, and i promise you, it cannot be done with 200k.

The room was perfectly well supporting division 1AA football as of 2003. Have to think that $200K would be more than enough renovation to get it going again. "Mr. Can't" will always find ways NOT to do anything.

let me rephrase then for 81. yes, we can do it for 200K. lets take from the other sports so they are left with less resources to succeed, and half-ass a wt room for a football program that has very little success....nice to know the old etsu football mentality is still alive and well.

Slappy, we all want all of our sports to do well. The weight room is a benefit to all the sports that exist at ETSU. We are just talking about getting some priorities in place and get our school back into the mainstream of Tennessee state universities and having excellent programs in all sports. We have to stop saying we "can't" do things when we obviously can as shown by all the peer schools in Tennessee. Dr. Noland can quickly change this attitude by showing strong leadership in his administration.

81, i was not saying we cant do well in all of our sports. i was not saying we cant have a wt room that benefits all sports. I was not saying we cant do all of the things in your last post (the most lucid and constructive post i have seen from you).

i was simply saying that the wt room needs work. alot of work. more than 200k of work...for the current sports alone. football will need more than what is currently there on top of that.

(01-12-2012 12:08 PM)slappywhite Wrote:  81, i was not saying we cant do well in all of our sports. i was not saying we cant have a wt room that benefits all sports. I was not saying we cant do all of the things in your last post (the most lucid and constructive post i have seen from you).

i was simply saying that the wt room needs work. alot of work. more than 200k of work...for the current sports alone. football will need more than what is currently there on top of that.

My posts sometimes wander off simply because I get emotional when arguing about our football program because it is so important to us. The weight room is a great example where everyone should pull together and show than can get a project like this done. As we said it will benefil all of our sports. It will be a boon to football but will help everybody. Hopefully fans and alumni can now unite and work together for a better all-round athetic program.

(01-12-2012 11:36 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 11:22 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 11:07 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 10:58 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  So you're saying you couldn't upgrade the current weight room for 479,650 USD which is what it what the men's soccer budget was according to the ETSU budget found on http://www.etsu.edu?
How about the 552,990 USD spent on women's soccer according to the ETSU budget found at http://www.etsu.edu.
I'm sorry, but 100,000 dollars out of each budget buys a whole bunch of squat racks, dumbbells, and cans of paint to spiffy up part of an already built structure in the dome...

(01-10-2012 10:01 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  But that isn't the question.

For what it takes to run soccer every year you couldn't create a weight room for football.

You could use the soccer team van to shuttle the football staff around....maybe.

lover, you always complain about etsu half assing everything. the current wt. room needs alot more than a couple hundred thousand to get into shape to accomodate a div. I football program. lee can only do so much with what he has in that spot, and i promise you, it cannot be done with 200k.

The room was perfectly well supporting division 1AA football as of 2003. Have to think that $200K would be more than enough renovation to get it going again. "Mr. Can't" will always find ways NOT to do anything.

let me rephrase then for 81. yes, we can do it for 200K. lets take from the other sports so they are left with less resources to succeed, and half-ass a wt room for a football program that has very little success....nice to know the old etsu football mentality is still alive and well.

What.....you don't like to bush league everything?

(01-12-2012 10:58 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  So you're saying you couldn't upgrade the current weight room for 479,650 USD which is what it what the men's soccer budget was according to the ETSU budget found on http://www.etsu.edu?
How about the 552,990 USD spent on women's soccer according to the ETSU budget found at http://www.etsu.edu.
I'm sorry, but 100,000 dollars out of each budget buys a whole bunch of squat racks, dumbbells, and cans of paint to spiffy up part of an already built structure in the dome...

(01-10-2012 10:01 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(01-10-2012 08:51 PM)etsugrad99 Wrote:  Stanton got the money for all this stuff with the athletic fee he started after football was dropped. The proverbial "backs of the students."

What is the athletic fee now anyway? $150/semester? It's was somewhere around $125 in the last year or two. Why not take a vote on that and see what the results show? No athletic fee with football, or $150/semester and no football but a good soccer team. Hmmm, wonder how that'd turn out...

But that isn't the question.

For what it takes to run soccer every year you couldn't create a weight room for football.

You could use the soccer team van to shuttle the football staff around....maybe.

Here is a link to the football practice facilities at the University of Memphis. A program that many in Memphis think gets the short end of the stick in terms of money allotment. It cost 6 million for renovations, granted it was for the whole practice facality, but it was just renovations.

If you can run the entire football program at ETSU for 500,000 dollars a year, then I'm all for it.

I know what Memphis has, they also have a 50 million dollar athletic budget and a piss poor athletic director on his way out the door. They have their daddy warbucks in Fred Smith, but who can blame him NOT donating more towards football down there just so it can be misappropriated.
The thing is there doesn't have to be a Conference USA caliber weight room to start off, one that competes at the FCS level will be sufficient for openers with the ability to improve as needed.
Again, you get what you pay for. Women's soccer has how many NCAA postseason appearances? Wins? These sports that with overinflated budgets will never produce the results at the level ETSU is spending, pure and simple. They're not doing anything to increase the brand awareness of ETSU, and they're certainly not bringing in more interest from the community.
Arguing Memphis vs. ETSU is apples to oranges, and also note that they still have football and instead of dropping it are looking to fix it.

(01-12-2012 12:22 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 12:08 PM)slappywhite Wrote:  81, i was not saying we cant do well in all of our sports. i was not saying we cant have a wt room that benefits all sports. I was not saying we cant do all of the things in your last post (the most lucid and constructive post i have seen from you).

i was simply saying that the wt room needs work. alot of work. more than 200k of work...for the current sports alone. football will need more than what is currently there on top of that.

My posts sometimes wander off simply because I get emotional when arguing about our football program because it is so important to us. The weight room is a great example where everyone should pull together and show than can get a project like this done. As we said it will benefil all of our sports. It will be a boon to football but will help everybody. Hopefully fans and alumni can now unite and work together for a better all-round athetic program.

point taken 81...and i dont fault anyone for that. unfortunately, emotion, nostalgia and even personal sentiment will need to be checked at the door when the discussions about returning football begin. IMO, this is a fresh start and we need not look back at what happened, has happened or who is at fault. Im confident that will all take care of itself in time.

this will truly be a new era at etsu, and to get a project like restoring football at etsu is going to require EVERYONE being on the same page.

we both want the same thing, we just differ in how to get there

Arguing Memphis vs. ETSU is apples to oranges...

you said it...not me

(01-12-2012 02:37 PM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 12:22 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 12:08 PM)slappywhite Wrote:  81, i was not saying we cant do well in all of our sports. i was not saying we cant have a wt room that benefits all sports. I was not saying we cant do all of the things in your last post (the most lucid and constructive post i have seen from you).

i was simply saying that the wt room needs work. alot of work. more than 200k of work...for the current sports alone. football will need more than what is currently there on top of that.

My posts sometimes wander off simply because I get emotional when arguing about our football program because it is so important to us. The weight room is a great example where everyone should pull together and show than can get a project like this done. As we said it will benefil all of our sports. It will be a boon to football but will help everybody. Hopefully fans and alumni can now unite and work together for a better all-round athetic program.

point taken 81...and i dont fault anyone for that. unfortunately, emotion, nostalgia and even personal sentiment will need to be checked at the door when the discussions about returning football begin. IMO, this is a fresh start and we need not look back at what happened, has happened or who is at fault. Im confident that will all take care of itself in time.

this will truly be a new era at etsu, and to get a project like restoring football at etsu is going to require EVERYONE being on the same page.

we both want the same thing, we just differ in how to get there

100% agree!

(01-12-2012 03:35 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 02:37 PM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 12:22 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 12:08 PM)slappywhite Wrote:  81, i was not saying we cant do well in all of our sports. i was not saying we cant have a wt room that benefits all sports. I was not saying we cant do all of the things in your last post (the most lucid and constructive post i have seen from you).

i was simply saying that the wt room needs work. alot of work. more than 200k of work...for the current sports alone. football will need more than what is currently there on top of that.

My posts sometimes wander off simply because I get emotional when arguing about our football program because it is so important to us. The weight room is a great example where everyone should pull together and show than can get a project like this done. As we said it will benefil all of our sports. It will be a boon to football but will help everybody. Hopefully fans and alumni can now unite and work together for a better all-round athetic program.

point taken 81...and i dont fault anyone for that. unfortunately, emotion, nostalgia and even personal sentiment will need to be checked at the door when the discussions about returning football begin. IMO, this is a fresh start and we need not look back at what happened, has happened or who is at fault. Im confident that will all take care of itself in time.

this will truly be a new era at etsu, and to get a project like restoring football at etsu is going to require EVERYONE being on the same page.

we both want the same thing, we just differ in how to get there

100% agree!

holy s#%@...we agree. this football thing may just have a chance yet.

Sometimes it just takes a good chicken party to bring everybody together.

(01-12-2012 11:36 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 11:22 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 11:07 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 10:58 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  So you're saying you couldn't upgrade the current weight room for 479,650 USD which is what it what the men's soccer budget was according to the ETSU budget found on http://www.etsu.edu?
How about the 552,990 USD spent on women's soccer according to the ETSU budget found at http://www.etsu.edu.
I'm sorry, but 100,000 dollars out of each budget buys a whole bunch of squat racks, dumbbells, and cans of paint to spiffy up part of an already built structure in the dome...

(01-10-2012 10:01 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  But that isn't the question.

For what it takes to run soccer every year you couldn't create a weight room for football.

You could use the soccer team van to shuttle the football staff around....maybe.

lover, you always complain about etsu half assing everything. the current wt. room needs alot more than a couple hundred thousand to get into shape to accomodate a div. I football program. lee can only do so much with what he has in that spot, and i promise you, it cannot be done with 200k.

The room was perfectly well supporting division 1AA football as of 2003. Have to think that $200K would be more than enough renovation to get it going again. "Mr. Can't" will always find ways NOT to do anything.

let me rephrase then for 81. yes, we can do it for 200K. lets take from the other sports so they are left with less resources to succeed, and half-ass a wt room for a football program that has very little success....nice to know the old etsu football mentality is still alive and well.

Slappy, I would be concerned also about "taking from the other sports" if I was one of the bandits that was in on the robbery of football in 2003. I would always be looking over my shoulder because one day the robbery victim might come back to get his revenge. So, watch your back.

(01-12-2012 05:39 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 11:36 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 11:22 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 11:07 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 10:58 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  So you're saying you couldn't upgrade the current weight room for 479,650 USD which is what it what the men's soccer budget was according to the ETSU budget found on http://www.etsu.edu?
How about the 552,990 USD spent on women's soccer according to the ETSU budget found at http://www.etsu.edu.
I'm sorry, but 100,000 dollars out of each budget buys a whole bunch of squat racks, dumbbells, and cans of paint to spiffy up part of an already built structure in the dome...

lover, you always complain about etsu half assing everything. the current wt. room needs alot more than a couple hundred thousand to get into shape to accomodate a div. I football program. lee can only do so much with what he has in that spot, and i promise you, it cannot be done with 200k.

The room was perfectly well supporting division 1AA football as of 2003. Have to think that $200K would be more than enough renovation to get it going again. "Mr. Can't" will always find ways NOT to do anything.

let me rephrase then for 81. yes, we can do it for 200K. lets take from the other sports so they are left with less resources to succeed, and half-ass a wt room for a football program that has very little success....nice to know the old etsu football mentality is still alive and well.

Slappy, I would be concerned also about "taking from the other sports" if I was one of the bandits that was in on the robbery of football in 2003. I would always be looking over my shoulder because one day the robbery victim might come back to get his revenge. So, watch your back.

i dont know what that means, but it sounds vaguely like a personal threat. i would advise you against that. i hope im incorrect in my assessment of its meaning.