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Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - ODU BBALL - 03-05-2018 03:28 PM 2017-18 ALL-CONFERENCE USA FIRST TEAM Jon Elmore, Marshall, Jr., G, 6-3, 185, Charleston, West Virginia Nick King, Middle Tennessee, Sr., F, 6-7, 225, Memphis, Tennessee Ahmad Caver, Old Dominion, Jr., G, 6-2, 170, Atlanta, Georgia Chris Cokley, UAB, Sr., F, 6-8, 238, Savannah, Georgia Justin Johnson, WKU, Sr., F, 6-7, 245, Hazard, Kentucky 2017-18 ALL-CONFERENCE USA SECOND TEAM C.J. Burks, Marshall, Jr., G, 6-4, 195, Martinsburg, West Virginia Giddy Potts, Middle Tennessee, Sr., G, 6-2, 217, Athens, Alabama Roosevelt Smart, North Texas, So., G, 6-3, 185, Chicago, Illinois Jhivvan Jackson, UTSA, Fr., G, 6-0, 160, Bayamón, Puerto Rico Darius Thompson, WKU, Gr., 6-4, 190, Murfreesboro, Tennessee 2017-18 ALL-CONFERENCE USA THIRD TEAM Brian Beard Jr., FIU, Jr., G, 5-10, 180, Rancho Cucamonga, California Ronald Delph, Florida Atlantic, R-Sr., C, 7-0, 245, Winter Haven, Florida Jacobi Boykins, Louisiana Tech, Sr., G, 6-6, 175, St. Petersburg, Florida Ajdin Penava, Marshall, Jr., F, 6-9, 220, Sarajevo, Bosnia & Herzegovina B.J. Stith, Old Dominion, Jr., G, 6-5, 215, Lawrenceville, Virginia 2017-18 CONFERENCE USA ALL-FRESHMAN TEAM Anthony Duruji, Louisiana Tech, Fr., F, 6-7, 198, Germantown, Maryland Zack Bryant, UAB, Fr., G, 6-2, 180, Hastings, Florida Jhivvan Jackson, UTSA, Fr., G, 6-0, 160, Bayamón, Puerto Rico Keaton Wallace, UTSA, Fr., G, 6-3, 170, Dallas, Texas Taveion Hollingsworth, WKU, Fr., G, 6-2, 175, Lexington, Kentucky 2017-18 CONFERENCE USA ALL-DEFENSIVE TEAM Brian Beard Jr., FIU, Jr., G, 5-10, 180, Rancho Cucamonga, California Ajdin Penava, Marshall, Jr., F, 6-9, 220, Sarajevo, Bosnia & Herzegovina Tyrik Dixon, Middle Tennessee, So., G, 6-1, 184, Bentonville, Arkansas Ahmad Caver, Old Dominion, Jr., G, 6-2, 170, Atlanta, Georgia William Lee, UAB, Sr., F, 6-9, 206, Selma, Alabama RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - Gilesfan - 03-05-2018 03:32 PM How are these actually picked? I think throwing darts would be a slight improvement. RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - MonarchManiac - 03-05-2018 03:32 PM Looks about right to me. RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - KAjunRaider - 03-05-2018 03:39 PM (03-05-2018 03:32 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote: Looks about right to me. Yeah, I'm cool with it. RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - Gilesfan - 03-05-2018 03:47 PM (03-05-2018 03:39 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:(03-05-2018 03:32 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote: Looks about right to me. Porter obviously deserved it. Not sure how Delph gets in over him (plus Porter put up 29/12 just last week vs. Delph) Boykins is a first or second teamer, at worst; he doesn't get respect bc he doesn't have gaudy points per game. Jackson is a good player that will be a star. Not 2nd team at this point. Beard on the list is comical. Walters should have been 3rd team. How does Justin Johnson get first team? Hes borderline to even make the list. Coleby is a better player. RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - busch - 03-05-2018 03:50 PM (03-05-2018 03:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: How are these actually picked? I think throwing darts would be a slight improvement. Voting done by all 12 coaches and a panel of media and play-by-play announcers. What did you have a problem with? Just wondering. RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - 757ODU - 03-05-2018 03:50 PM (03-05-2018 03:47 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:(03-05-2018 03:39 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:(03-05-2018 03:32 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote: Looks about right to me. WHAT? RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - Gilesfan - 03-05-2018 03:51 PM (03-05-2018 03:50 PM)busch Wrote:(03-05-2018 03:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: How are these actually picked? I think throwing darts would be a slight improvement. Listed some reasons above. I don't really like meda and PBP announcers having a vote after listening to their commentary. RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - UTSAMarineVet09 - 03-05-2018 03:52 PM The future looks bright for UTSA RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - Gilesfan - 03-05-2018 03:54 PM (03-05-2018 03:50 PM)757ODU Wrote:(03-05-2018 03:47 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:(03-05-2018 03:39 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:(03-05-2018 03:32 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote: Looks about right to me. ORating 120.4 -113 DRating 97.6-100 PER 22.9-20.3 TS% .640-.564 Rebounding% 16.5-16 BLK% 7.1-2.0 WS/140 .181-.153 The only thing Johnson is better at is hitting 1.8 3s per 100 possessions. RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - busch - 03-05-2018 03:57 PM (03-05-2018 03:51 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:Sorry, I missed that before posting. Think you have some good points, absolutely disagree about Justin Johnson and Jhivann Jackson. Johnson is a definite first teamer in my opinion. I would have voted Porter over Delph also.(03-05-2018 03:50 PM)busch Wrote:(03-05-2018 03:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: How are these actually picked? I think throwing darts would be a slight improvement. Personally, I like having media and announcers vote, especially ones who see every team and pay attention. RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - Gilesfan - 03-05-2018 04:02 PM (03-05-2018 04:01 PM)elw4796 Wrote: The all-defensive team is amusingly wrong, which I assume is because whoever votes just looks at steals and blocks. If you look purely at individual defense (i.e. PPP by the guy a player was guarding...a flawed stat in its own right but certainly more useful than blocks + steals), the players on the all-defensive teams rank as follows: Where did Boykins rank? I'm surprised he's not up there. RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - herdfifteen - 03-05-2018 04:03 PM (03-05-2018 03:50 PM)busch Wrote:I'm sure Jon Elmore being at the top of the list ruined his day.(03-05-2018 03:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: How are these actually picked? I think throwing darts would be a slight improvement. RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - shiftyeagle - 03-05-2018 04:15 PM I would say we got hosed but I can't even name a player on our team so RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - ODU BBALL - 03-05-2018 04:17 PM (03-05-2018 04:01 PM)elw4796 Wrote: The all-defensive team is amusingly wrong, which I assume is because whoever votes just looks at steals and blocks. If you look purely at individual defense (i.e. PPP by the guy a player was guarding min 80 possessions...a flawed stat in its own right but certainly more useful than blocks + steals), the players on the all-defensive teams rank as follows: Xavier Green does not belong on an All Defensive Team, and I don't care who can pull up what stat that reflects he has good numbers. There are many others that play much better defense than he does. Not trying to knock him - he's only a freshman - but still. RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - elw4796 - 03-05-2018 04:19 PM (03-05-2018 04:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:(03-05-2018 04:01 PM)elw4796 Wrote: The all-defensive team is amusingly wrong, which I assume is because whoever votes just looks at steals and blocks. If you look purely at individual defense (i.e. PPP by the guy a player was guarding...a flawed stat in its own right but certainly more useful than blocks + steals), the players on the all-defensive teams rank as follows: Boykins is actually 108/109, surprisingly, considering he's been fine his entire career. I wanna emphasize that this doesn't mean he's a bad defender, just a bad defender when measuring end results. The data I'm using is flawed in the sense that it can only quantify possession-ending plays. So on plays where Boykins' man shoots, turns it over, draws a foul, etc., he's really struggled this year. You guys also gave up 1.04 PPP when he was on the court but only 0.96 when he was off the court. RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - KAjunRaider - 03-05-2018 04:23 PM MT's best on-ball defender is Ed Simpson............ but he lost his starting role to Antwain Johnson, due to his low-point production offensively RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - WKUFan518 - 03-05-2018 04:31 PM (03-05-2018 03:50 PM)757ODU Wrote:(03-05-2018 03:47 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:(03-05-2018 03:39 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:(03-05-2018 03:32 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote: Looks about right to me. Yes, exactly all creditability this guy has is gone...Nothing against Coleby but Justin is by far a better overall player than Dwight...Justin absolutely deserved first team...I think the teams are about right, not sure the love for Beard though? Also would have Hollingsworth on all Defensive Team.... RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - ThreeifbyLightning - 03-05-2018 04:32 PM Surprised Walters didn't at least make third team. I haven't looked at it statistically but imagine he's up there in rebounding. No one in the league could guard him but he was probably hurt by minutes due to foul trouble and King's volume of shots. RE: Men's Basketball All Conference Teams Announced - elw4796 - 03-05-2018 04:34 PM You know what, I'm actually deleting my post. Individual, result-exclusive defensive metrics are way too inaccurate. Using a combination of that + another source of data, I think I was a little harsh. Instead, the all-defensive team should be something like this: Justin Johnson (good defender by any metric) Ajdin Penava (the difference in Marshall's PPP allowed when he's on the court vs. off the court is remarkable) Byron Frohnen (good by any metric) Brian Beard (Same as Penava...FIU is substantially better defensively when he's on the floor) Brandon Walters (Same as Penava and Beard) Hollingsworth was also really impactful. As was Jailyn Ingram. And AJ Lawson. |