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2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - DoubleRSU - 03-03-2018 03:48 PM
I am going to start this thread so we can keep track of teams for the "other 3" tournaments. Please link articles to accepts/declines when possible.
NIT:
Rider (MAAC)
UNC-Asheville (Big South)
Northern Kentucky (Horizon)
FGCU (ASun)
Wagner (NEC)
UC Davis (Big West)
Vermont (AEC)
UL-Lafayette (Sun Belt)
Hampton (MEAC)
SE Louisiana (Southland)
CBI:
Canisius
Miami OH
Campbell (will host)
San Francisco
Seattle
Central Arkansas
CIT:
Austin Peay (will host)
Abilene Christian @ Drake
Liberty vs NC A&T
Niagara
Drake vs ACU CBSSN
Central Michigan @ IPFW
IPFW vs CMU
St Francis (PA)
NC A&T @ Liberty
Hartford @ San Diego
San Diego vs Hartford
No Postseason:
Duquesne
Tennessee Tech
Illinois St (non NIT)
SMU
Hawaii
Wyoming
Old Dominion (non NIT)
E Tenn St
Mt St Mary's
Albany
Ball St
Oakland
UNLV
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - IWokeUpLikeThis - 03-03-2018 10:54 PM
Northern Kentucky just lost to Cleveland State by 9 to lock up the 3rd NIT bid.
This is the 2nd straight year the #1 seed lost in the Horizon quarterfinals at Motor City Madness.
That league really needs to go back to their old tourney format. Don’t have a team in the league, but I used to love driving to a campus in WI/IL/IN for the Horizon tourney. MCM has been a killer for them in both environment and advancing top teams.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - solohawks - 03-04-2018 12:39 AM
Asheville got beat in the semis on their home floor.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - Wedge - 03-04-2018 12:52 AM
The NCAA has it backwards.
NCAA tournament autobids should go to regular season conference champs, and NIT autobids should go to conference tournament winners who don't get invited to the NCAA tournament.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - quo vadis - 03-04-2018 01:53 AM
(03-04-2018 12:52 AM)Wedge Wrote: The NCAA has it backwards.
NCAA tournament autobids should go to regular season conference champs, and NIT autobids should go to conference tournament winners who don't get invited to the NCAA tournament.
It can't logically be that way, because otherwise the conference tournaments would have no point - a tournament played after the season must mean that by winning in it you are progressing "towards" something, and if there's no auto-bid at the end of the rainbow, there's nothing being progressed towards, and there's no reason to have a format that eliminates losers and advances winners. The winner of the conference tournament has to 'advance' to something more advanced than itself, that being the NCAA tournament.
The conference regular season logically feeds into a tournament, because it provides the seedings for it. But there would be no progressively logical basis for a conference tourney played after the season if it didn't result in a bid to a bigger tournament.
The only way your scenario would make sense is if the conference tournament was played before the regular season, and somehow fed in to the regular season, gave the winner a regular season advantage of some kind.
2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - arkstfan - 03-04-2018 02:00 AM
(03-04-2018 12:52 AM)Wedge Wrote: The NCAA has it backwards.
NCAA tournament autobids should go to regular season conference champs, and NIT autobids should go to conference tournament winners who don't get invited to the NCAA tournament.
Well there would no longer be tournaments except for ACC. They long ago decided that their champion would be the tournament champion.
I’ve long argued the 16 conferences with the highest three year rating should be given a bid for the regular season champion and another for the tournament champion if a different team wins it and the regular season champion should be pre-assigned a sub-regional site.
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RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - leofrog - 03-04-2018 12:20 PM
(03-04-2018 12:52 AM)Wedge Wrote: The NCAA has it backwards.You do know that this is not an NCAA rule, but a decision made by the conferences, correct? That’s why the PAC waited so long to have a tourney, and the Ivy League just started one. The conferences decide who gets the automatic bid, and as others have said, if the auto bid goes to the regular season champ, what’s the point in conference tournaments. I think leagues like the ACC, Big 12, Big East, and a few others make money off of the tourneys.
NCAA tournament autobids should go to regular season conference champs, and NIT autobids should go to conference tournament winners who don't get invited to the NCAA tournament.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - Wedge - 03-04-2018 12:25 PM
(03-04-2018 12:20 PM)leofrog Wrote: You do know that this is not an NCAA rule, but a decision made by the conferences, correct?
The NCAA decided to let each conference designate whomever the heck they want to designate as their conference champion. That's a mistake. The NCAA could correct it by deciding that only conference regular-season champs get autobids to NCAA tournaments.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - mturn017 - 03-04-2018 12:40 PM
(03-04-2018 12:52 AM)Wedge Wrote: The NCAA has it backwards.
NCAA tournament autobids should go to regular season conference champs, and NIT autobids should go to conference tournament winners who don't get invited to the NCAA tournament.
I don't want to see an NCAA tourney bid awarded based on tiebreaker rules. It's March. Win and advance.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - stever20 - 03-04-2018 12:43 PM
I just LOL at folks who want to change what has made March the best month into something different. And yes, part of what makes March incredible is the conference tourney's with the bids at stake.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - Stugray2 - 03-04-2018 01:29 PM
(03-04-2018 12:52 AM)Wedge Wrote: The NCAA has it backwards.
NCAA tournament autobids should go to regular season conference champs, and NIT autobids should go to conference tournament winners who don't get invited to the NCAA tournament.
It's the conferences choice. Were I a small one bid conference and my tournament was lightly attended and didn't make much money I would go to the old Ivy League system of conference regular season winner. Only have a playoff game if two are tied (a problem with 3 or more at say 13-5).
But the reality is, many conference offices pay for themselves with their basketball tournaments, between gate and ESPN coverage, that there is no going back. Besides, if you are one of the usually >20 conferences whose entry will be a one and done, does it really matter regular season champ represent your conference? In a way should the worse program via tournament upset represent you, they may get you a play-in game and a chance at a 2nd credit for your conference, while the regular season champ gets an NIT bid your conference would never get.
I think the bottom 18 seeds (after the first four round) are something like 3-54 the last three years. So yes, statistically your conference is likely to win a game once every two decades -- with a play-in, that increases to once a decade if you win the lottery to get in two of those. (Speaks to better seeding recently, that the NCAA could go down to a 48 team tournament, and there would hardly be any difference in the round of 32 onward).
So while it may be desirable to see the best team from a terrible conference, in the big picture of the NCAA tournament it doesn't matter one iota. And from the conference standpoint it's too advantageous (NIT, conference tourney money to keep office funded, also chance to see all Presidents and ADs in one spot) to expect a change.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - Wedge - 03-04-2018 02:18 PM
(03-04-2018 12:43 PM)stever20 Wrote: I just LOL at folks who want to change what has made March the best month into something different. And yes, part of what makes March incredible is the conference tourney's with the bids at stake.
OK then, because your argument is based on the games being fun to watch, we'll hold you to that and apply the logic to CFB: Because the CFP games, like many (not all) of the March Madness games, are very entertaining, you agree that there should be no change whatsoever to the current College Football Playoff, and we will all agree to LOL at anyone who wants to change it into something different.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - mturn017 - 03-04-2018 02:28 PM
(03-04-2018 02:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:(03-04-2018 12:43 PM)stever20 Wrote: I just LOL at folks who want to change what has made March the best month into something different. And yes, part of what makes March incredible is the conference tourney's with the bids at stake.
OK then, because your argument is based on the games being fun to watch, we'll hold you to that and apply the logic to CFB: Because the CFP games, like many (not all) of the March Madness games, are very entertaining, you agree that there should be no change whatsoever to the current College Football Playoff, and we will all agree to LOL at anyone who wants to change it into something different.
I don't think that's what his argument is based on. The fun part of March Madness is the single elimination aspect of it where it's all on the line and the fact that almost every team in the country has the opportunity to be crowned the champ if they just keep winning. It's a true tournament setting.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - stever20 - 03-04-2018 02:38 PM
(03-04-2018 01:29 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:(03-04-2018 12:52 AM)Wedge Wrote: The NCAA has it backwards.
NCAA tournament autobids should go to regular season conference champs, and NIT autobids should go to conference tournament winners who don't get invited to the NCAA tournament.
It's the conferences choice. Were I a small one bid conference and my tournament was lightly attended and didn't make much money I would go to the old Ivy League system of conference regular season winner. Only have a playoff game if two are tied (a problem with 3 or more at say 13-5).
But the reality is, many conference offices pay for themselves with their basketball tournaments, between gate and ESPN coverage, that there is no going back. Besides, if you are one of the usually >20 conferences whose entry will be a one and done, does it really matter regular season champ represent your conference? In a way should the worse program via tournament upset represent you, they may get you a play-in game and a chance at a 2nd credit for your conference, while the regular season champ gets an NIT bid your conference would never get.
I think the bottom 18 seeds (after the first four round) are something like 3-54 the last three years. So yes, statistically your conference is likely to win a game once every two decades -- with a play-in, that increases to once a decade if you win the lottery to get in two of those. (Speaks to better seeding recently, that the NCAA could go down to a 48 team tournament, and there would hardly be any difference in the round of 32 onward).
So while it may be desirable to see the best team from a terrible conference, in the big picture of the NCAA tournament it doesn't matter one iota. And from the conference standpoint it's too advantageous (NIT, conference tourney money to keep office funded, also chance to see all Presidents and ADs in one spot) to expect a change.
13 seeds and worse 3-54 last 3 years? Nope. Last 3 years they are 5-43 1st round. Add in 12's and they're 8-52 1st round.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - Wedge - 03-04-2018 02:42 PM
(03-04-2018 02:28 PM)mturn017 Wrote:(03-04-2018 02:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:(03-04-2018 12:43 PM)stever20 Wrote: I just LOL at folks who want to change what has made March the best month into something different. And yes, part of what makes March incredible is the conference tourney's with the bids at stake.
OK then, because your argument is based on the games being fun to watch, we'll hold you to that and apply the logic to CFB: Because the CFP games, like many (not all) of the March Madness games, are very entertaining, you agree that there should be no change whatsoever to the current College Football Playoff, and we will all agree to LOL at anyone who wants to change it into something different.
I don't think that's what his argument is based on. The fun part of March Madness is the single elimination aspect of it where it's all on the line and the fact that almost every team in the country has the opportunity to be crowned the champ if they just keep winning. It's a true tournament setting.
That's EXACTLY what his argument is: His position is that because tournaments are fun to watch, the fact that an excellent regular season can mean almost nothing doesn't matter at all.
I'm saying that it should matter that an excellent regular season gets many teams nothing more than seeding for a conference tournament, and it's a mistake that the NCAA allows conferences to make their basketball regular season almost irrelevant.
Anyone who has ever complained about the college hoops regular season having little importance should not be supporting the idea of NCAA autobids going to conference tournament winners rather than regular season champs.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - stever20 - 03-04-2018 02:46 PM
(03-04-2018 02:42 PM)Wedge Wrote:I'd rather have the regular season meaningless than the postseason being a joke. In college football, the regular season is meaningful, but the post season is a joke. In college basketball regular season is meaningless, but the postseason is incredible. Give me college basketball 100% of the time.(03-04-2018 02:28 PM)mturn017 Wrote:(03-04-2018 02:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:(03-04-2018 12:43 PM)stever20 Wrote: I just LOL at folks who want to change what has made March the best month into something different. And yes, part of what makes March incredible is the conference tourney's with the bids at stake.
OK then, because your argument is based on the games being fun to watch, we'll hold you to that and apply the logic to CFB: Because the CFP games, like many (not all) of the March Madness games, are very entertaining, you agree that there should be no change whatsoever to the current College Football Playoff, and we will all agree to LOL at anyone who wants to change it into something different.
I don't think that's what his argument is based on. The fun part of March Madness is the single elimination aspect of it where it's all on the line and the fact that almost every team in the country has the opportunity to be crowned the champ if they just keep winning. It's a true tournament setting.
That's EXACTLY what his argument is: His position is that because tournaments are fun to watch, the fact that an excellent regular season can mean almost nothing doesn't matter at all.
I'm saying that it should matter that an excellent regular season gets many teams nothing more than seeding for a conference tournament, and it's a mistake that the NCAA allows conferences to make their basketball regular season almost irrelevant.
Anyone who has ever complained about the college hoops regular season having little importance should not be supporting the idea of NCAA autobids going to conference tournament winners rather than regular season champs.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - stever20 - 03-04-2018 03:00 PM
sorry but give me what we just saw in Liberty/Radford with last second 3 pointer for Radford every single time.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - Fighting Muskie - 03-04-2018 03:10 PM
You don't really get a second credit for advancing out of the first four do you? That doesn't make any sense. You shouldn't reward teams on the bubble for advancing into the round of 64.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - GoldenWarrior11 - 03-04-2018 03:20 PM
(03-04-2018 03:00 PM)stever20 Wrote: sorry but give me what we just saw in Liberty/Radford with last second 3 pointer for Radford every single time.
+1
College Basketball format does not need to change. The tournaments are part of what make this month the best in sports. Football will always be at a disadvantage because it will forever be unable to do what basketball can do: play multiple games over a period of several days. It's one of several reasons why an expanded playoff, and/or guaranteeing conference champions into a playoff, are unlikely to occur in the next near future.
RE: 2018 NIT/CBI/CIT bids and declines - Cyniclone - 03-04-2018 03:21 PM
A helpful guide to CIT/CBI invites
Apparently Illinois State, East Tennessee State and Mount St. Mary's have already said that they won't play in a third-tier tournament.