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Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - UofRfan - 02-08-2018 02:16 PM
http://gazette.com/report-larry-eustachy-out-as-colorado-state-basketball-coach/article/1620610
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - NJDuke97 - 02-08-2018 06:53 PM
just a reminder that when Eustachy was mentioned at JMU his next job was with Southern Miss of CUSA in 2004, He stayed at Southern Miss for 8 seasons (5 winning seasons) and left for Colorado State after he led Southern Miss to the NCAA for the only time.
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - JMUNation - 02-08-2018 11:48 PM
Dukester????
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - HyperDuke - 02-08-2018 11:50 PM
Are you one of those people who ask entire questions in the email subject line?
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - JMad03 - 02-09-2018 11:18 AM
I was thinking this was more in line with a Dukeman post.
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - Dukes84 - 02-09-2018 11:43 AM
Speaking of this topic, wasn't Larry Shyatt one of the guys that JMU considered around that same time? He went on to become the head coach at Wyoming, where he was able to land Larry Nance, Jr., out of NE Ohio as a recruit. Was listening to the Cleveland station last night and Terry Pluto of the Plain Dealer mentioned that Shyatt only had to out recruit James Madison to land Nance at Wyoming. And he inferred that JMU was a minor basketball school, of course. Nance was selected in the first round, I believe, and was traded to the Cavs just yesterday. Just a brief aside.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Shyatt
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - PGJMU2 - 02-09-2018 12:09 PM
yeah, but imagine the splash we could have made on espn with the Eustacy hire.........
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - Wear Purple - 02-09-2018 12:32 PM
(02-09-2018 12:09 PM)PGJMU2 Wrote: yeah, but imagine the splash we could have made on espn with the Eustacy hire.........
Local beer vendors would’ve loved it.
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - olddawg - 02-09-2018 01:22 PM
We should have extended Sherm!
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - Hart Foundation - 02-09-2018 02:32 PM
I’m a big Eustachy fan and he has crushed it at all 5 schools he has coached with 523 wins. It will be interesting to see what Colorado State comes out with to avoid a legal suit.
His players have boycotted practice and are supporting him against the administration. The only allegation so far is that he is a meanie and cusses at his players in practice and the locker room during games.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2758499-colorado-state-players-protest-amid-reports-hc-larry-eustachy-will-be-fired.amp.html
All JMU had to do was offer Eustachy in 2004 instead of Keener and JMU basketball wouldn’t have to go through those dark times. Instead we get a nice guy who sucks at coaching. Jeepers, he was a nice loser though.
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - NJDuke97 - 02-09-2018 08:05 PM
(02-09-2018 02:32 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote: I’m a big Eustachy fan and he has crushed it at all 5 schools he has coached with 523 wins. It will be interesting to see what Colorado State comes out with to avoid a legal suit.
His players have boycotted practice and are supporting him against the administration. The only allegation so far is that he is a meanie and cusses at his players in practice and the locker room during games.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2758499-colorado-state-players-protest-amid-reports-hc-larry-eustachy-will-be-fired.amp.html
All JMU had to do was offer Eustachy in 2004 instead of Keener and JMU basketball wouldn’t have to go through those dark times. Instead we get a nice guy who sucks at coaching. Jeepers, he was a nice loser though.
Eustachy led Southern Miss to one NCAA tournament in 8 years(his last year). By my count he received two contract extensions/raises before the tournament appearance. He then moved to Colorado State and led them to one NCAA appearance.
Bruce Pearl is off the hot seat this year despite all the issues at Auburn because he is winning there for the first time and will probably make his first NCAA appearance this season.
There are trade offs that you make with coaches- Given these coaches' baggage and salaries I don't think the level of winning justifies the risk. In Eustachy's case Co State looked the other way- gave a warning when they found out he was abusive to players a few years ago because he was winning at the time. Now that he's losing it's too much to overlook and they will try to get out of his contract.
Pearl would be gone already if his team wasn't winning this year. These are choices that P5 programs and wantabe P5 programs make. As a JMU alum are you comfortable with our school and athletics program making these types of compromises for dirty guys who would leave at the first chance and cost a lot of money while presenting a great risk to our reputation? The CAA commish when recently interviewed for a UNCW podcast spoke of the conference members' relative academic rankings vs. other conferences. That is really the heart of who JMU has been and who they are. These types of coaches don't embody JMU IMO.
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - UofRfan - 02-09-2018 10:24 PM
Quote:Are you one of those people who ask entire questions in the email subject line?
I never thought about it , but maybe I am :-) . Why beat around the bush!
Yeah I was attempting to be funny. He's a good coach and everybody is getting soft. It is pretty pathetic. I'm sure some stuff is going to come out that will embarrass him but if he was 22-5 with an at large bid on the horizon they'd probably find a way to sweep it under the rug again. They already suggested to fire the guy to the president once who kept him. (again we are getting sooo soft soft soft)
Still found it interesting considering the brief possibility that he could have been JMU's coach.
http://www.9news.com/article/sports/college/tensions-boil-as-the-investigation-into-larry-eustachy-continues/73-516281825
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - HyperDuke - 02-10-2018 04:43 AM
Is the "abusive behavior" simply his language? If there's nothing else (like there was at USM), I would agree that it's kinda weak to fire him. I'm sure we'll hear about some of it eventually, so I'll wait to judge for now.
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - olddawg - 02-10-2018 09:44 AM
My favorite story regarding an abusive behavior coach dealt with former Manhattan and Seton Hall head coach, Bobby Gonzalez. What a piece of work.
To illustrate just how difficult Bobby Gonzalez was to manage when he coached at Manhattan College from 1999 to 2006, Athletic Director Bob Byrnes told a story about the bus company Manhattan used to travel to games.
“The guy who runs the bus company called me and said something to the effect of: ‘I have 131 drivers that drive for us. But we’re down to one guy that will drive for Bobby Gonzalez,’ ” Byrnes said.
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - JMUETC - 02-10-2018 10:46 AM
(02-09-2018 08:05 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:(02-09-2018 02:32 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote: I’m a big Eustachy fan and he has crushed it at all 5 schools he has coached with 523 wins. It will be interesting to see what Colorado State comes out with to avoid a legal suit.
His players have boycotted practice and are supporting him against the administration. The only allegation so far is that he is a meanie and cusses at his players in practice and the locker room during games.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2758499-colorado-state-players-protest-amid-reports-hc-larry-eustachy-will-be-fired.amp.html
All JMU had to do was offer Eustachy in 2004 instead of Keener and JMU basketball wouldn’t have to go through those dark times. Instead we get a nice guy who sucks at coaching. Jeepers, he was a nice loser though.
Eustachy led Southern Miss to one NCAA tournament in 8 years(his last year). By my count he received two contract extensions/raises before the tournament appearance. He then moved to Colorado State and led them to one NCAA appearance.
Bruce Pearl is off the hot seat this year despite all the issues at Auburn because he is winning there for the first time and will probably make his first NCAA appearance this season.
There are trade offs that you make with coaches- Given these coaches' baggage and salaries I don't think the level of winning justifies the risk. In Eustachy's case Co State looked the other way- gave a warning when they found out he was abusive to players a few years ago because he was winning at the time. Now that he's losing it's too much to overlook and they will try to get out of his contract.
Pearl would be gone already if his team wasn't winning this year. These are choices that P5 programs and wantabe P5 programs make. As a JMU alum are you comfortable with our school and athletics program making these types of compromises for dirty guys who would leave at the first chance and cost a lot of money while presenting a great risk to our reputation? The CAA commish when recently interviewed for a UNCW podcast spoke of the conference members' relative academic rankings vs. other conferences. That is really the heart of who JMU has been and who they are. These types of coaches don't embody JMU IMO.
Were you on board with the Lefty hire back in the day?
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - NJDuke97 - 02-11-2018 07:54 AM
(02-10-2018 10:46 AM)JMUETC Wrote:(02-09-2018 08:05 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:(02-09-2018 02:32 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote: I’m a big Eustachy fan and he has crushed it at all 5 schools he has coached with 523 wins. It will be interesting to see what Colorado State comes out with to avoid a legal suit.
His players have boycotted practice and are supporting him against the administration. The only allegation so far is that he is a meanie and cusses at his players in practice and the locker room during games.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2758499-colorado-state-players-protest-amid-reports-hc-larry-eustachy-will-be-fired.amp.html
All JMU had to do was offer Eustachy in 2004 instead of Keener and JMU basketball wouldn’t have to go through those dark times. Instead we get a nice guy who sucks at coaching. Jeepers, he was a nice loser though.
Eustachy led Southern Miss to one NCAA tournament in 8 years(his last year). By my count he received two contract extensions/raises before the tournament appearance. He then moved to Colorado State and led them to one NCAA appearance.
Bruce Pearl is off the hot seat this year despite all the issues at Auburn because he is winning there for the first time and will probably make his first NCAA appearance this season.
There are trade offs that you make with coaches- Given these coaches' baggage and salaries I don't think the level of winning justifies the risk. In Eustachy's case Co State looked the other way- gave a warning when they found out he was abusive to players a few years ago because he was winning at the time. Now that he's losing it's too much to overlook and they will try to get out of his contract.
Pearl would be gone already if his team wasn't winning this year. These are choices that P5 programs and wantabe P5 programs make. As a JMU alum are you comfortable with our school and athletics program making these types of compromises for dirty guys who would leave at the first chance and cost a lot of money while presenting a great risk to our reputation? The CAA commish when recently interviewed for a UNCW podcast spoke of the conference members' relative academic rankings vs. other conferences. That is really the heart of who JMU has been and who they are. These types of coaches don't embody JMU IMO.
Were you on board with the Lefty hire back in the day?
A little before my time but Lefty was pushed out because a player overdosed. While that was obviously a historically tragic thing and may have revealed a lack of control outside of the basketball program during a time when hard drugs were rampant Len Bias technically was no longer part of the hoops program when he overdosed on the Maryland campus. I think that's a little different than some of the in program infractions of these other coaches.
There are variations here of coaches behaving badly. Winning causes people to overlook some things. I disagree with the general premise that we've gotten too soft, etc. If coaches abuse players (including verbal abuse) not only is it wrong but today's player is not going to take it and they shouldn't. Just because coaches were rough with players in the past doesn't make it ok. Players will transfer and they will speak up. Whether it's the pressure or a god complex that these coaches have as they have more success and get more power within the Institution you don't want guys like that leading your program. It's fools gold and the gold in Eustachy's case isn't even that great- 1 NCAA appearance with each school. We're not talking about Bobby Knight here or even Lefty Driessel who was one the games true characters who had built a borderline power at Maryland. We're talking about guys like Eustachy and Bruce Pearl.
It's kind of an irrelevant discussion as it pertains to JMU. JMU doesn't hire retreads. The stars aligned for Lefty at JMU. These other guys aren't really worth the risk. Best case they use your program to revitalize their career and leave (think Bobby Petrino in football). Worst case they do something else and give your Institution a black eye.
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - JMUNation - 02-11-2018 11:58 AM
I agree that I believe JMU is going to hire quality character guys going forward. Houston is a good example. Between Lefty and Mickey, JMU has had it with having to deal with their behavior and God complexes. You had lawsuits and harassment allegations plus more. For those of you on here that don’t live in the Harrisonburg area, there was far more happening then you were aware of. None of it fit well with the Harrisonburg community, which is very conservative. As soon as Mickey and Lefty started being average, they were let go. JMU did not wait until they starting losing. That is how badly they wanted them removed.
Eustachy was not hired because he represented more of the same. I honestly don’t have an issue with a coach who yells at his players or curses some. I think it is the level at which he does this that determines whether it is abusive or not. I think you can coach without screaming at guys but there are times when it is necessary to get a point across. It should be the exception not the rule though. Think Frank Martin when he was at Kansas St. He screamed at his players about everything. The guy looked possessed at times. I wonder if he has mellowed since taking the S.C. job?
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - HyperDuke - 02-11-2018 12:07 PM
At the college level, you can’t expect zero cursing. That’s not reasonable. Not saying every good coach curses, just that zero cursing is an unreasonable expectation of a college coach. I heard loads of spicy language from professors during undergrad. It was fine.
I would still like to hear what Eustachy said to get into this mess. Not gonna judge until those details get out.
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - HyperDuke - 02-11-2018 12:08 PM
Also, Mickey was booted because the program stagnated. It wasn’t because of any misconduct. You’ve gotta get over that one time Mickey pissed you off.
RE: Conservative JMU admin registers another retroactive win - Dukeman2 - 02-11-2018 05:23 PM
I had an opportunity to spend some time with Lefty at a charity function a few years ago. I apologized for the way JMU ended it with him; Lefty responded "there are a lot of good people in Harrisonburg.
He probably was not referring to JMUNation.