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RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - WKUYG - 02-02-2018 12:09 PM Middle averages 16.7 ft home compared to 18.. on the road in CUSA play. OOC it's 16.6 home and 21.7 on the road/NC and that right there is a very good reason Middle is a road warrior RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - Volkmar - 02-02-2018 12:26 PM (02-02-2018 11:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: While MT carries a massive deficit in fouls and free throws when our guys go on the road, free throws don't even tell the whole story. Nick King was basically getting assaulted every time he touched the ball last night. And while he led the team with 7 free throws (two of them late to stop the clock) it was like Hack a Shaq out there. I have no idea how he got into double digits. He's tougher I guess than I've been giving him credit for, but the refs inability to be objective in non-neutral court settings has gotten out of hand. There are teams (like UTSA) with a far greater foul disparity than yours. Whining is unbecoming. RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - 69topper - 02-02-2018 12:49 PM (02-02-2018 11:19 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:(02-02-2018 10:53 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:(02-02-2018 08:04 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote: We will be lucky to come out of San Antonio with a win Saturday the way we have been playing...Our offensive flow these last 4 or 5 games has not been there...Like good teams we are still finding ways to win (15-0 run to end game vs. Marshall and last night 8-0 run to end game), but I hope we start getting some more flow to the offense....Also UTSA get ready, I am sure they are licking their chops shooting threes against us....Watched UTSA play last night before our game and they have shooters on that team, looking at roster also very young...Come on UTSA fans, you guys should be excited about your team this season and the future! I think u are spreaking in a vacuum. I have made 2-3 posts stating this as have others but they just can't grasp the concept. I suspect they are all republicans. Lol RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - dahbeed - 02-02-2018 12:56 PM I’m still chuckling over TIBL acting surprised that opposing teams shoot more free throws than Middle even in Middle’s barn of a gym. This is a simple concept. When you claw the **** out of every player on the other team on defense it really helps in stopping that team from scoring. The downside is you have to live with that team shooting a few more free throws than you. The upside is that eventually the refs just stop blowing the whistle. There are too many fouls to call. Pitino lived off this concept at every stop. The only difference was they clawed the **** out of you for 94 feet. Kermit is more of a half court guy. It’s Middle’s identity. They are going to grab and tug and foul the living **** out of you the entire game. A lot of teams don’t handle that very well. Kids run away from them. It keeps Middle in every game. Add in enough clutch players on offense and you can win a lot of games. It’s also tourney friendly, when every possession counts. I’m not dogging Middle on this. I just can’t believe TIBL doesn’t see it. RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - WKUYG - 02-02-2018 01:04 PM Western fouls H VS A in conference games Coleby (AVG) H 3.2 A 3 JJ (AVG) H 1.6 A 1.2 Thompson (AVG) H 1.2 A 1.7 Hollingsworth (AVG) H 2.2 A 1.7 Bearden (AVG) H 3 A 2.5 Ohmer (AVG H 1.6 A 2.2 RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - ThreeifbyLightning - 02-02-2018 01:07 PM (02-02-2018 12:56 PM)dahbeed Wrote: I’m still chuckling over TIBL acting surprised that opposing teams shoot more free throws than Middle even in Middle’s barn of a gym. Actually, I do see it, and I'm not surprised. However, ODU is made out of the exact same cloth. Everything you described Nick King and Brandon Walters experienced last night on the other end of the court. And while we can be more physical than other teams one of the tenets of playing with an elite defense to be able to play at a high level while limiting fouls. We struggled with that early in the year. Has gotten better as the year progressed, but my point is MT doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt at home as you guys, La Tech, UAB, etc., get. And that's what I'm trying to gain a better understand on. To that end, I really don't have a problem with our guys getting called for fouls when they are being aggressive. Frankly and to your point I mostly expect us to be called for more in most games. What irks me is a one of our guys staying vertical while standing completely still and getting called for a foul as the offensive player shoots a fade away. The only contact comes from the offensive guy pushing off to create some separation. I simply don't understand those calls. RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - ODUCoach - 02-02-2018 01:18 PM Honestly, I'm surprised by MTSU fans complaining about calls last night. The refs let the teams play a physical game and, if anything, MTSU benefited from it. They literally pushed or pulled our big guys while going after every rebound. Our guys spent most of the first half looking to the refs rather than playing through it, which is why we got killed on the boards in the first half. RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - ThreeifbyLightning - 02-02-2018 01:19 PM (02-02-2018 12:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote: Middle averages 16.7 ft home compared to 18.. on the road in CUSA play. OOC it's 16.6 home and 21.7 on the road/NC and that right there is a very good reason Middle is a road warrior Yes, and while we shoot 18 on the road our opponents are shooting 23. Perhaps what makes this most interesting is a factor that you are not taking into consideration. Because we win a lot of close games and have late leads in those close games a good portion of our free throws actually come as our opponent is intentionally fouling - yet we still have that deficit. Take last night for example. Although MT outshot ODU 19 to 17, eight of our free throws came in the final 56 seconds of the game. The other 39 minutes of the game was ODU > MT by six FTA's. Six of ODU's 16 personal fouls came in the final minute of the game. RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - ThreeifbyLightning - 02-02-2018 01:25 PM (02-02-2018 01:18 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: Honestly, I'm surprised by MTSU fans complaining about calls last night. The refs let the teams play a physical game and, if anything, MTSU benefited from it. They literally pushed or pulled our big guys while going after every rebound. Our guys spent most of the first half looking to the refs rather than playing through it, which is why we got killed on the boards in the first half. First of all. I'm not complaining. I'm having a discussion about the facts related to how fouls are called differently home and away. You should understand that first and foremost. Second, I agree to an extent they seemed to let both teams play through contact more particularly in the second half. But even with that ODU had a 15 to 10 foul call advantage through the first 39 minutes of the game. MT almost didn't even make it to the double bonus the entire game much less in a single half as ODU did still with 10+ minutes to go in the first half. Rebounding is a contact activity. Anyone who boxes out and pushes against a box out is playing the game right. Otherwise, a foul would be called on every trip. Defense and boxing out are fundamental to Kermit's philosophy. RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - dahbeed - 02-02-2018 02:14 PM (02-02-2018 01:07 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:(02-02-2018 12:56 PM)dahbeed Wrote: I’m still chuckling over TIBL acting surprised that opposing teams shoot more free throws than Middle even in Middle’s barn of a gym. Jon Elmore? He got away with it multiple times against us. That play pisses me off as much as any call. Wtf is the defender supposed to do? Elmore is so used to getting the calls when he doesn’t get one he gets T’d up for crying over it. I’m not hating on him. He does what he has to do. But I don’t understand how our league refs determine who get the Jordan rules and who doesn’t. And I’m very aware that ODU does every bit as much clawing and tugging and hacking as Middle. Same formula. RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - ThreeifbyLightning - 02-02-2018 02:56 PM (02-02-2018 02:14 PM)dahbeed Wrote:(02-02-2018 01:07 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:(02-02-2018 12:56 PM)dahbeed Wrote: I’m still chuckling over TIBL acting surprised that opposing teams shoot more free throws than Middle even in Middle’s barn of a gym. He's not the only one. Starting to see it more in the post too. RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - KAjunRaider - 02-02-2018 02:56 PM I think Marshall would be a better team if they'd let their HC handle the refs. The Marshall guys are putting their hands up on every call and talking to officials, it seems (not just the MT game) RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - Monarchist13 - 02-02-2018 03:15 PM (02-02-2018 02:56 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote: I think Marshall would be a better team if they'd let their HC handle the refs. Elmore has a classic reaction every time a call goes against him as if he couldn't be more shocked (very soccer-like). Once I noticed it, it was funny watching him repeat it the rest of the game. It's like he cannot fathom a call going the other way. RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - Gilesfan - 02-02-2018 03:46 PM I respect his game, but Elmore flops to get fouls more than anyone in this league. It makes it frustrating to watch him play against us. Don't think either MTSU or ODU really benefited from calls last night. I also think MTSU is more physical and certainly crash the offensive boards a heck of a lot harder. I remember some questionable calls against MTSU, but the charge call on Caver was pretty bad. That one made me upset. Thought Brandan could the raw end on an And1 by King, but I can see why the call was made (though Stith technically went straight up) Thought the game was pretty even outside of us missing shots and Johnson making shots. On to UAB. Cokley is scary. He has my vote for POY. RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - WKUFan518 - 02-02-2018 04:06 PM Yep Marshall players do talk to refs the entire game, Penava I watched one time against WKU talk to the refs down the entire court while one of guys layed it in....This is true... RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - kem411ocd - 02-02-2018 04:14 PM I actually think Justin Johnson talks to the refs a little too much after every no call. I just want to see them running back down to cover their man, but no doubt I'd do the same thing these players are doing. Human nature... especially if it works here and there. RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - KAjunRaider - 02-02-2018 04:15 PM (02-02-2018 04:06 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote: Yep Marshall players do talk to refs the entire game, Penava I watched one time against WKU talk to the refs down the entire court while one of guys layed it in....This is true... I think it hurts them sometimes, because the refs start getting pissed off and/or lack of effort like you mentioned. It did not hurt them against MT, however. Peneva was a beast and we had no answer (Walters got into foul trouble). RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - KAjunRaider - 02-02-2018 04:17 PM (02-02-2018 04:14 PM)kem411ocd Wrote: I actually think Justin Johnson talks to the refs a little too much after every no call. I just want to see them running back down to cover their man, but no doubt I'd do the same thing these players are doing. Human nature... especially if it works here and there. Yeah, but I think the refs like JJ. I think he does it in a "good" way, putting his arms on the refs shoulder. He is also good at joking around with refs when there is a lapse in action (pre-game, etc). Very smart player. I wish he was on our team. RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - WKUYG - 02-02-2018 04:39 PM (02-02-2018 04:14 PM)kem411ocd Wrote: I actually think Justin Johnson talks to the refs a little too much after every no call. I just want to see them running back down to cover their man, but no doubt I'd do the same thing these players are doing. Human nature... especially if it works here and there. Yeah I noticed this season when JJ misses and goes to the floor he looks at the ref for a second before heading down the court. To be fair a few players in CUSA do get hit a lot more without the calls. I believe JJ is one of those. But get your ass down the court then point it out to the ref RE: Feb 1 and 3 basketball games - ODUCoach - 02-02-2018 04:58 PM (02-02-2018 04:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote: Yeah I noticed this season when JJ misses and goes to the floor he looks at the ref for a second before heading down the court. We've got one of those in Trey Porter. |