Quote:According to a report from Reddit, Florida State, despite having the requisite 6 wins, could actually still not be bowl eligible.






/r/CFB bases its report on NCAA rules that state a win by an FBS team (FSU) over and FCS team (in this case Delaware State) only counts toward bowl eligibility if the FCS team is utilizing at least 90% of its scholarship limit.

Florida State beat Delaware State in November by a score of 77-6 for its fourth win before beating Florida and then winning a rescheduled game with Louisiana-Monroe in order to reach 6 wins.

However, after receiving data from Delaware State, Reddit reports that Delaware State had not awarded more than 90 percent of its scholarships, thus rendering Florida State’s win over them as one that, by rule, does not count toward bowl eligibility.

Quote:Given that we’re less than a week away from the Independence Bowl between Florida State and Southern Miss, even Reddit acknowledges that nothing significant is likely to come of this report in terms of the Seminoles actually not playing in the game. But had the report surfaced earlier in the season, Florida State would likely have missed out on a bowl to the three remaining FBS teams who reached 6 wins but were left out of bowl slots due to the total amount of bowl-eligible teams this season.

(12-21-2017 03:43 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  SMH


Not that FSU has any control over what Delaware St did.

Did Jimbo just quit after the loss to Alabama or what?

(12-21-2017 03:43 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  SMH


Not that FSU has any control over what Delaware St did.

Did Jimbo just quit after the loss to Alabama or what?

(12-22-2017 08:30 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  I thought that FBS schools largely choose not to schedule FCS schools that fail to meet the scholarship requirements that allow the FCS school to become a "bowl-eligible" win. Did DSU recently drop schollies or did FSU not perform due diligence when scheduling the game? That's in addition to failing to stay informed and notify appropriate parties on the back end over the last month.

I wonder if they were ignorant or knew and hoped it wasn't discovered. I suspect nothing will come of it, but I have to wonder if the NCAA has the ability to block any bowl payout to the school and/or ACC. The Indy Bowl payout is peanuts compared to our conference total, but we'll see if any action occurs.

Quote:Here's why it counts:

Wagner, which competes in the Northeast Conference of the Football Championship Subdivision, is allowed to offer 40 scholarships. In order for a victory against an FCS opponent to count toward bowl eligibility, the NCAA requires the FCS team to supply aid at at least 90 percent of the 63 scholarship limit allowed over a rolling two-year period.

In other words, the school must supply aid to at least 57 players.

Jim Gibbons, Wagner's assistant athletic director for academics and compliance, confirmed his school is able to grant any aid — but not federal aid— to a football player and have it count toward the 57 requirement.

Gibbons said Wagner currently sits at 61 scholarships.

(12-22-2017 08:30 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  I thought that FBS schools largely choose not to schedule FCS schools that fail to meet the scholarship requirements that allow the FCS school to become a "bowl-eligible" win. Did DSU recently drop schollies or did FSU not perform due diligence when scheduling the game? That's in addition to failing to stay informed and notify appropriate parties on the back end over the last month.

I wonder if they were ignorant or knew and hoped it wasn't discovered. I suspect nothing will come of it, but I have to wonder if the NCAA has the ability to block any bowl payout to the school and/or ACC. The Indy Bowl payout is peanuts compared to our conference total, but we'll see if any action occurs.

(12-22-2017 10:12 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 08:30 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  I thought that FBS schools largely choose not to schedule FCS schools that fail to meet the scholarship requirements that allow the FCS school to become a "bowl-eligible" win. Did DSU recently drop schollies or did FSU not perform due diligence when scheduling the game? That's in addition to failing to stay informed and notify appropriate parties on the back end over the last month.

I wonder if they were ignorant or knew and hoped it wasn't discovered. I suspect nothing will come of it, but I have to wonder if the NCAA has the ability to block any bowl payout to the school and/or ACC. The Indy Bowl payout is peanuts compared to our conference total, but we'll see if any action occurs.

The rules are looser than a strict reading of the NCAA rulebook might suggest. A couple of years back, Syracuse was allowed to use a win over Wagner, which plays in the 40 scholarship FCS Northeast Conference, to count towards bowl eligibility. There was some concern the win wouldn't count, but it did. Syracuse had confirmed it with the NCAA before scheduling Wagner.

From http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/index.ssf/2013/02/syracuse_wagner_count_toward_b.html

Quote:Here's why it counts:

Wagner, which competes in the Northeast Conference of the Football Championship Subdivision, is allowed to offer 40 scholarships. In order for a victory against an FCS opponent to count toward bowl eligibility, the NCAA requires the FCS team to supply aid at at least 90 percent of the 63 scholarship limit allowed over a rolling two-year period.

In other words, the school must supply aid to at least 57 players.

Jim Gibbons, Wagner's assistant athletic director for academics and compliance, confirmed his school is able to grant any aid — but not federal aid— to a football player and have it count toward the 57 requirement.

Gibbons said Wagner currently sits at 61 scholarships.

Quote:FSU says it received confirmation from Delaware State that 90% requirement is satisfied for 2017, allowing win for bowl eligibility. NCAA rules interpretation permits institutions to use academic scholarships & other forms of non-athletics institutional aid for this requirement

(12-22-2017 10:12 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 08:30 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  I thought that FBS schools largely choose not to schedule FCS schools that fail to meet the scholarship requirements that allow the FCS school to become a "bowl-eligible" win. Did DSU recently drop schollies or did FSU not perform due diligence when scheduling the game? That's in addition to failing to stay informed and notify appropriate parties on the back end over the last month.

I wonder if they were ignorant or knew and hoped it wasn't discovered. I suspect nothing will come of it, but I have to wonder if the NCAA has the ability to block any bowl payout to the school and/or ACC. The Indy Bowl payout is peanuts compared to our conference total, but we'll see if any action occurs.

The rules are looser than a strict reading of the NCAA rulebook might suggest. A couple of years back, Syracuse was allowed to use a win over Wagner, which plays in the 40 scholarship FCS Northeast Conference, to count towards bowl eligibility. There was some concern the win wouldn't count, but it did. Syracuse had confirmed it with the NCAA before scheduling Wagner.

From http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/index.ssf/2013/02/syracuse_wagner_count_toward_b.html

Quote:Here's why it counts:

Wagner, which competes in the Northeast Conference of the Football Championship Subdivision, is allowed to offer 40 scholarships. In order for a victory against an FCS opponent to count toward bowl eligibility, the NCAA requires the FCS team to supply aid at at least 90 percent of the 63 scholarship limit allowed over a rolling two-year period.

In other words, the school must supply aid to at least 57 players.

Jim Gibbons, Wagner's assistant athletic director for academics and compliance, confirmed his school is able to grant any aid — but not federal aid— to a football player and have it count toward the 57 requirement.

Gibbons said Wagner currently sits at 61 scholarships.

(12-23-2017 11:44 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  David did you read what Orangefan posted? Syracuse asked the NCAA ahead of time for a ruling...Wagner was approved.

This is all much ado about nothing. FSU is ok

(12-23-2017 01:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  South Florida also asked ahead of time as well, and they got denied. So, a little secret rules that only P5 schools can get by with it while G5 schools get the shaft? The NCAA is not enforcing the rules with Florida State and Syracuse.

(12-23-2017 01:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 11:44 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  David did you read what Orangefan posted? Syracuse asked the NCAA ahead of time for a ruling...Wagner was approved.

This is all much ado about nothing. FSU is ok

South Florida also asked ahead of time as well, and they got denied. So, a little secret rules that only P5 schools can get by with it while G5 schools get the shaft? The NCAA is not enforcing the rules with Florida State and Syracuse.

(12-26-2017 02:30 PM)orangefan Wrote:  So it turns out the Florida St.-Delaware St. situation this year was exactly comparable to the Syracuse-Wagner situation a few years back.

https://nypost.com/2017/12/23/florida-state-clarifies-eligibility-status-for-bowl-game/

“Florida State has received confirmation from Delaware State that the 90 percent requirement is satisfied for the 2017 season, allowing the victory to be used in determining bowl eligibility,” the statement said. “Media reports suggesting otherwise failed to account for a long-standing NCAA rules interpretation that permits institutions to use academic scholarships and other forms of non-athletics institutional aid received by student-athletes in the computation of this requirement. These media reports represent incomplete information, as they only reflect athletics scholarships received.”

(12-27-2017 11:17 AM)nole Wrote:  I don't mind the rules being enforced, but the number of media that took this bone and ran with it with a vigor shows the mindset of the media. Many were literally angry about this, with no confirmation, and inferred FSU did something crooked here.

Why is it so personal with the media? Objective? Hardly.

(12-27-2017 11:17 AM)nole Wrote:  I don't mind the rules being enforced, but the number of media that took this bone and ran with it with a vigor shows the mindset of the media. Many were literally angry about this, with no confirmation, and inferred FSU did something crooked here.

Why is it so personal with the media? Objective? Hardly.