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Gut check time, stay positive - tayle's mullet - 10-16-2017 11:11 AM
Should have won easily yesterday. Stats show that, but bungled it away under bizarre conditions. It's done now, and it doesn't change this one fact: Win out and they're back-to-back MAC Champs. Hope to see some fire out of this team (and the head coach) at Rynearson on Saturday. Great place to start that roll to the finish line. Stay positive.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - BroncoPhilly - 10-16-2017 02:50 PM
Dress warm. Rynearson Stadium can be COLD in the Autumn. There is nothing to stop the wind whipping through the stadium.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - tayle's mullet - 10-16-2017 02:53 PM
Forecast says 73 and partly cloudy right now.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - EagleTough - 10-16-2017 02:57 PM
(10-16-2017 02:50 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote: Dress warm. Rynearson Stadium can be COLD in the Autumn. There is nothing to stop the wind whipping through the stadium.
Current Accuweather forecast is 74 degrees, 'pleasantly warm with some sun.' 10+ degrees higher than average for this time of year.
2 o'clock kickoff, so you couldn't ask for a more perfect Michigan October 21st football afternoon!
Assuming a big Bronco turnout with all this week's weather/stadium problems in Kazoo?
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - MajorHoople - 10-16-2017 03:02 PM
As Atticus Finch said, it's not time to worry yet.
The next three games will tell us a lot.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - BroncoPhilly - 10-16-2017 03:04 PM
I remember 1982 we went into Ypsitucky and took on the Hurons (not the eagles). We ended up tying them 3-3 in rain, sleet and mud. I was there that day.
They had a grass field back then. WMU took a 6-3 lead on a FG when they stopped us inside their 6 yard line. But, they were offsides on the kick, so Bronco HC Jack Harbaugh decided to go for the TD from the 1 yard line and they stopped us cold. Neither team could put points on the board in the remaining 10 minutes or so.
On a day like that, it was a mistake to take the points off the board.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - broncofan1 - 10-16-2017 03:24 PM
(10-16-2017 03:02 PM)MajorHoople Wrote: As Atticus Finch said, it's not time to worry yet.
The next three games will tell us a lot.
The next game will tell us enough. EMU is a tough team. More physical than most any other team in the MAC. Our speed killed them last year, but the players all walked away saying how tough they were in the trenches.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - MajorHoople - 10-16-2017 06:27 PM
Oklahoma spanked Ohio State in Columbus.
Iowa State (30.5 underdog) beat Oklahoma in Norman.
Syracuse just beat Clemson.
It's College Football, boys and girls.
And none of the above were playing on Sunday in rain-wind after worst flood since 1973 caused postponement on Homecoming.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - Hoekjeness - 10-16-2017 06:54 PM
(10-16-2017 06:27 PM)MajorHoople Wrote: Oklahoma spanked Ohio State in Columbus.
Iowa State (30.5 underdog) beat Oklahoma in Norman.
Syracuse just beat Clemson.
It's College Football, boys and girls.
And none of the above were playing on Sunday in rain-wind after worst flood since 1973 caused postponement on Homecoming.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - Bronco XXVIII - 10-16-2017 07:48 PM
(10-16-2017 06:27 PM)MajorHoople Wrote: Oklahoma spanked Ohio State in Columbus.
Iowa State (30.5 underdog) beat Oklahoma in Norman.
Syracuse just beat Clemson.
It's College Football, boys and girls.
And none of the above were playing on Sunday in rain-wind after worst flood since 1973 caused postponement on Homecoming.
Coulda swore Akron had to play under the exact same conditions as us, and yet found a way to win the game ...
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - broncofan1 - 10-16-2017 09:16 PM
(10-16-2017 06:27 PM)MajorHoople Wrote: Oklahoma spanked Ohio State in Columbus.
Iowa State (30.5 underdog) beat Oklahoma in Norman.
Syracuse just beat Clemson.
It's College Football, boys and girls.
And none of the above were playing on Sunday in rain-wind after worst flood since 1973 caused postponement on Homecoming.
I'm pretty sure there aren't many Clemson or Oklahoma fans kicking around the "it's College Football, boys and girls" excuse.
Screw that.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - MajorHoople - 10-17-2017 07:42 AM
(10-16-2017 09:16 PM)broncofan1 Wrote: I'm pretty sure there aren't many Clemson or Oklahoma fans kicking around the "it's College Football, boys and girls" excuse.
Screw that.
Were you born an azzhole, or is it learned behavior?
After one great season in 100+ years of Football some BS people (pun intended) believe it's our birthright to be a perennial powerhouse like an Ohio State or Alabama.
Doesn't work that way in MAC, never has.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - Wmufan715 - 10-17-2017 07:59 AM
Tell that to Boise who has pretty much ran the MWC for 10 years. And that is a much greater league of competition than the MAC.
G5 schools who want to be taken seriously by people outside their own town find a way to make themselves known and part of that is not toying with the Akron’s and Buffalos.
When you rank teams 1-130 like CBS does. MAC teams are often 90-120 and AAC and MWC teams are 50-75. So you don’t think Western is capable of having a consistent top 50 team and running through the majority of the MAC? I don’t mean Toledo and NIU but Akron and Buffalo are NOT good teams in the big picture.
Stop using MAC parity as an excuse like the league is so great you can’t pull away. It really means you have a program that at best is mediocre and really doesn’t matter to anyone besides 3,000 alumni and the players/coaches.
CFB is much more of a National game and you should want to be in that national conversation every year like Boise, Houston and Navy are. You may not win the G5 spot every year but you should at least be in conversation. That means yes you can chalk up easy wins vs 6/8 MAC teams every year.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - Bronc33 - 10-17-2017 08:25 AM
Should we have beaten Akron? Yep. We didn't though. We've lost a lot of games we should have won over the last 4-5 years. It is how you bounce back from those losses that really matters. In the past we have not responded well. Lets roll into Ypsi and destroy the Eagles. If we do that I think we win the next 3 and set up a showdown with Toledo for the MAC west once again.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - RaybanBronco - 10-17-2017 08:38 AM
To say I'm disappointed with the coaching effort this season, would be an understatement. However, I will judge them more on how they rebound in the game on Saturday than how they coached this past Sunday -- following a strange set of events. If they come out flat again and dig themselves a 10 or 14 point deficit to start the game, I think we will have a pretty solid indication that these coaches don't have the "juice" that they need to get this team up. That is going to be a problem moving forward. There has also been a glaring issue with discipline. If they are able to get these two issues under control, our outlook will look much better. Time will tell..
Hoping for the best. Go Broncos.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - GullLake - 10-17-2017 09:37 AM
(10-16-2017 03:02 PM)MajorHoople Wrote: As Atticus Finch said, it's not time to worry yet.
The next three games will tell us a lot.
Agreed.
While I am concerned, I am not worried...yet.
The 2017 Broncos are a team in transition. No way to get around that.
I remain a strong Lester & Staff supporter...unless WMU loses to CMU.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - Hoekjeness - 10-17-2017 12:01 PM
(10-17-2017 07:59 AM)Wmufan715 Wrote: Tell that to Boise who has pretty much ran the MWC for 10 years. And that is a much greater league of competition than the MAC.
G5 schools who want to be taken seriously by people outside their own town find a way to make themselves known and part of that is not toying with the Akron’s and Buffalos.
When you rank teams 1-130 like CBS does. MAC teams are often 90-120 and AAC and MWC teams are 50-75. So you don’t think Western is capable of having a consistent top 50 team and running through the majority of the MAC? I don’t mean Toledo and NIU but Akron and Buffalo are NOT good teams in the big picture.
Stop using MAC parity as an excuse like the league is so great you can’t pull away. It really means you have a program that at best is mediocre and really doesn’t matter to anyone besides 3,000 alumni and the players/coaches.
CFB is much more of a National game and you should want to be in that national conversation every year like Boise, Houston and Navy are. You may not win the G5 spot every year but you should at least be in conversation. That means yes you can chalk up easy wins vs 6/8 MAC teams every year.
I can't agree with this more.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - Bronc33 - 10-17-2017 12:14 PM
(10-17-2017 07:59 AM)Wmufan715 Wrote: CFB is much more of a National game and you should want to be in that national conversation every year like Boise, Houston and Navy are. You may not win the G5 spot every year but you should at least be in conversation. That means yes you can chalk up easy wins vs 6/8 MAC teams every year.
That would be great but that doesn't' happen when you don't prepare for the future. We have enough guys to win the MAC this year and I would be disappointed if we didn't, but you don't get into the national discussion with a QB who has thrown 0 passes and a group of receivers that haven't really played. That's just not how it works.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - GullLake - 10-17-2017 01:58 PM
(10-17-2017 07:59 AM)Wmufan715 Wrote: Tell that to Boise who has pretty much ran the MWC for 10 years. And that is a much greater league of competition than the MAC.
G5 schools who want to be taken seriously by people outside their own town find a way to make themselves known and part of that is not toying with the Akron’s and Buffalos.
When you rank teams 1-130 like CBS does. MAC teams are often 90-120 and AAC and MWC teams are 50-75. So you don’t think Western is capable of having a consistent top 50 team and running through the majority of the MAC? I don’t mean Toledo and NIU but Akron and Buffalo are NOT good teams in the big picture.
Stop using MAC parity as an excuse like the league is so great you can’t pull away. It really means you have a program that at best is mediocre and really doesn’t matter to anyone besides 3,000 alumni and the players/coaches.
CFB is much more of a National game and you should want to be in that national conversation every year like Boise, Houston and Navy are. You may not win the G5 spot every year but you should at least be in conversation. That means yes you can chalk up easy wins vs 6/8 MAC teams every year.
No MAC team has consistently been part of the "national conversation" every year like "Boise, Houston and Navy are," except when they are not (Houston and Navy were horrible a decade ago and Boise pretty much decimated funding to all other sports to build its football program, which has become somewhat "meh" in recent years). And no MAC team will ever, consistently, be part of that so-called "conversation." The $ and support is not there.
The MAC has had outstanding teams from Marshall (which cheated to get them), Miami, BG, Ball State, Northern Illinois, CMU, Toledo, and Kent State in addition to WMU last year. All have been ranked in the Top 25 at some point, several in the Top 10. However, they rode their wave and then fell back into the pack, which is to be expected. Of course, their fan bases thought they were entitled, just as some of you think. You are getting like U-M and MSU fans....gag....but at least you are still Broncos.
Also, how many MAC championships has WMU won since Akron and Buffalo joined the league? One. The exact amount both Akron and Buffalo have won. And you are mocking them?! One outstanding season gives WMU no leverage to trash other league programs that have earned just as many league championships.
Last season was a miracle in so many ways. I would never expect that kind of season again, although it should remain a wishful goal.
The only thing I expect from WMU is to be November contenders for a MAC Championship annually - actually win it more than once every three decades - and beat CMU consistently. Expecting more than that is somewhat naive.
RE: Gut check time, stay positive - broncofan1 - 10-17-2017 03:09 PM
Expecting to be competitive and a MAC Title contender is now 'entitled'. I suppose it's too much to ask for a bowl win, too?
Sorry, but the 'entitled' argument is garbage.
I'm sick of old-school fans telling people to accept mediocrity. As an old-school fan myself, I will never accept mediocrity. You get what you accept.
There is a reason Cubit lost his job.