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NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - Kaplony - 10-05-2017 02:12 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/05/nra-calls-for-atf-review-bump-stocks-new-regulations-after-las-vegas-shooting.html
Quote:The National Rifle Association, in its first statement on the Las Vegas shooting and in a rare break from its traditional opposition to gun-related regulations, called Thursday for a federal review of so-called bump stocks and suggested new rules might be needed for the device apparently used by the shooter in Sunday’s massacre.
“The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations,” the NRA said in a written statement.
Quote:The Obama administration’s ATF gave its seal of approval to selling the devices in 2010 after concluding that they did not violate federal law. On Thursday, the NRA called on the ATF to review that assessment.
“In Las Vegas, reports indicate that certain devices were used to modify the firearms involved,” the NRA said. “Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law.”
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - UTSAMarineVet09 - 10-05-2017 02:15 PM
I am ok with this being reviewed and possibly outlawed.
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - SuperFlyBCat - 10-05-2017 02:17 PM
(10-05-2017 02:15 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: I am ok with this being reviewed and possibly outlawed.
Same here.
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - Kaplony - 10-05-2017 02:18 PM
(10-05-2017 02:15 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: I am ok with this being reviewed and possibly outlawed.
The same, despite the fact that it's just a token gesture.
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - WalkThePlank - 10-05-2017 02:18 PM
agreed
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - gdunn - 10-05-2017 02:21 PM
(10-05-2017 02:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:15 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: I am ok with this being reviewed and possibly outlawed.
The same, despite the fact that it's just a token gesture.
Not to sound like a dick, but why do you think that?
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - Kaplony - 10-05-2017 02:29 PM
(10-05-2017 02:21 PM)gdunn Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:15 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: I am ok with this being reviewed and possibly outlawed.
The same, despite the fact that it's just a token gesture.
Not to sound like a dick, but why do you think that?
Because I can go right now and do the exact same thing that a bump stock does with my Browning Light 12 shotgun or my friend's Mini 30 and both are wearing the hardware they were built with.
It's a placebo for the uneducated masses and accomplishes absolutely nothing other than make it to where some people with physical handicaps can't shoot semi-automatic weapons.
But if it shuts up the idiotic hoplophobes for a little while I can live with that.
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - WoodlandsOwl - 10-05-2017 02:35 PM
(10-05-2017 02:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:15 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: I am ok with this being reviewed and possibly outlawed.
The same, despite the fact that it's just a token gesture.
I agree. Easiest politically. Some Lefties want to go back to "Assault Weapons Ban" and magazine capacity restrictions.
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - gdunn - 10-05-2017 02:55 PM
(10-05-2017 02:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:21 PM)gdunn Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:15 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: I am ok with this being reviewed and possibly outlawed.
The same, despite the fact that it's just a token gesture.
Not to sound like a dick, but why do you think that?
Because I can go right now and do the exact same thing that a bump stock does with my Browning Light 12 shotgun or my friend's Mini 30 and both are wearing the hardware they were built with.
It's a placebo for the uneducated masses and accomplishes absolutely nothing other than make it to where some people with physical handicaps can't shoot semi-automatic weapons.
But if it shuts up the idiotic hoplophobes for a little while I can live with that.
My ignorance on guns begins at a certain level and definitely begins at the AR level. Bump stocks was new to me, just heard about them on Monday.
But apparently I'm dumber than I thought, cause I've never thought about trying to turn my 12 ga into an automatic.
I do however have an assault quiver on my compound bow.
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - Kaplony - 10-05-2017 03:08 PM
(10-05-2017 02:55 PM)gdunn Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:21 PM)gdunn Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:15 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: I am ok with this being reviewed and possibly outlawed.
The same, despite the fact that it's just a token gesture.
Not to sound like a dick, but why do you think that?
Because I can go right now and do the exact same thing that a bump stock does with my Browning Light 12 shotgun or my friend's Mini 30 and both are wearing the hardware they were built with.
It's a placebo for the uneducated masses and accomplishes absolutely nothing other than make it to where some people with physical handicaps can't shoot semi-automatic weapons.
But if it shuts up the idiotic hoplophobes for a little while I can live with that.
My ignorance on guns begins at a certain level and definitely begins at the AR level. Bump stocks was new to me, just heard about them on Monday.
But apparently I'm dumber than I thought, cause I've never thought about trying to turn my 12 ga into an automatic.
I do however have an assault quiver on my compound bow.
It doesn't turn a semiautomatic into an automatic. It's still essentially one trigger pull = one bullet down the barrel. It just uses the recoil to speed up the process.
I would really like to try doing it with a Benelli Super Black Eagle because it's semi-auto action is a lot faster than my old Browning Light 12. While my Browning sounds like the old Maxim machine gun chugging along while doing it I bet the Benelli sounds like a M60.
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - Claw - 10-05-2017 03:11 PM
This will be a big win for Trump and whichever party decides to go with him.
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - Kaplony - 10-05-2017 03:16 PM
(10-05-2017 03:11 PM)Claw Wrote: This will be a big win for Trump and whichever party decides to go with him.
Depends on if the BATFE bans them, Considering the fact that they do not modify the actual workings of the firearm they may not have a legal standing to do so under current law.
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - UTSAMarineVet09 - 10-05-2017 03:33 PM
Kap, do you have a video or an explanation how this bump stock will help disable people?
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - Kaplony - 10-05-2017 03:59 PM
(10-05-2017 03:33 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: Kap, do you have a video or an explanation how this bump stock will help disable people?
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - cb4029 - 10-05-2017 04:21 PM
Wish we could just go back to the days of muskets.
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - JMUDunk - 10-05-2017 04:30 PM
(10-05-2017 02:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:15 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: I am ok with this being reviewed and possibly outlawed.
The same, despite the fact that it's just a token gesture.
Yup and yup.
Course someone has invested a lot of money since '10 to get these made and to market, not a real fan of changing the rules midstream. But if they reassess and decide they don't comply, or at least violate the "spirit" of the law (which I think clearly they do), then maybe they should have seen this coming.
OTOH, what happens if ATF reviews and says, "Nope, still all good with us." How loud will the reaction to that be?
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - umbluegray - 10-05-2017 04:30 PM
(10-05-2017 02:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:15 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: I am ok with this being reviewed and possibly outlawed.
The same, despite the fact that it's just a token gesture.
Which is why I'm not in favor.
I don't like being punished for something I didn't do... for something 320 million Americans didn't do.
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - JMUDunk - 10-05-2017 04:40 PM
(10-05-2017 02:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:21 PM)gdunn Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:15 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: I am ok with this being reviewed and possibly outlawed.
The same, despite the fact that it's just a token gesture.
Not to sound like a dick, but why do you think that?
Because I can go right now and do the exact same thing that a bump stock does with my Browning Light 12 shotgun or my friend's Mini 30 and both are wearing the hardware they were built with.
It's a placebo for the uneducated masses and accomplishes absolutely nothing other than make it to where some people with physical handicaps can't shoot semi-automatic weapons.
But if it shuts up the idiotic hoplophobes for a little while I can live with that.
Right there with the scary "assault weapons" ban of the '90's.
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - Claw - 10-05-2017 04:42 PM
(10-05-2017 04:30 PM)umbluegray Wrote:By God it is a red-letter day. You just changed someone's mind on the Internet.(10-05-2017 02:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(10-05-2017 02:15 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: I am ok with this being reviewed and possibly outlawed.
The same, despite the fact that it's just a token gesture.
Which is why I'm not in favor.
I don't like being punished for something I didn't do... for something 320 million Americans didn't do.
RE: NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks - JMUDunk - 10-05-2017 04:45 PM
(10-05-2017 03:11 PM)Claw Wrote: This will be a big win for Trump and whichever party decides to go with him.
Agreed.
Even if it is done for the wrong reasons, i.e. to appease the BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!! crowd.