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RE: Archibald: Randall Woodfin answers: What comes next for Birmingham - BAMANBLAZERFAN - 10-06-2017 03:48 PM
(10-06-2017 02:15 PM)Big Dee Wrote:(10-06-2017 01:25 PM)ICB Wrote: Let me say this about Woodfin in comparison to Bell, you won’t get all the empty promises. On the stadium in particular, we have been talking about this for years, Bell has promised 3 times in the last 2 years that we would hear something soon, and still nothing. You won’t get that with Woodfin. We may not get the stadium, but we also won’t get empty promises. We will know soon after he’s in office what role Birmingham will play in the stadium if any. The stadium issue will be resolved one way or the other.
As far as businesses, his is not anti-business. He is anti, “line my pocket, get what you want” type business. He will deal with companies above board. When he said he will piss businesses off, read the next sentence, “I get to say no.” He is referring to the fact that certain businesses had the previous mayor in their back pockets and they got whatever they wanted, even at the expense of the overall good of the city. Because he is not bought, he has the leverage to work in best interest of city, even if that is telling them no on some things. Every mayor should be able to say no to businesses if it doesn’t benefit the city. I expect him to get behind bringing business to Birmingham, but certain businesses won’t get priveleges based on their past contributions to campaigns. There is more I could say, but I will stop there.
+1
Ready to see what MAYOR Woodfin has in his plans as a new era begins.
It is important when expressing expectations that one remembers that the Mayor acting alone cannot legally spend a single cent of city money on any project - including the BJCC renovation and stadium. If B'ham is going to financially support any building done at the BJCC, the City Council will have to vote for it to be done. The fact that not one iota of this article asks anyone now on the Council about their feelings about spending for anything on our plate plays to this ignorance of the law and the way it operates.
The Mayor can be gracious, helpful, supportive and positive about local business and be a cheerleader for it, but when policy is to meet financial performance, it is the Council who writes the checks.
RE: Archibald: Randall Woodfin answers: What comes next for Birmingham - Big Dee - 10-06-2017 03:54 PM
(10-06-2017 03:48 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:(10-06-2017 02:15 PM)Big Dee Wrote:(10-06-2017 01:25 PM)ICB Wrote: Let me say this about Woodfin in comparison to Bell, you won’t get all the empty promises. On the stadium in particular, we have been talking about this for years, Bell has promised 3 times in the last 2 years that we would hear something soon, and still nothing. You won’t get that with Woodfin. We may not get the stadium, but we also won’t get empty promises. We will know soon after he’s in office what role Birmingham will play in the stadium if any. The stadium issue will be resolved one way or the other.
As far as businesses, his is not anti-business. He is anti, “line my pocket, get what you want” type business. He will deal with companies above board. When he said he will piss businesses off, read the next sentence, “I get to say no.” He is referring to the fact that certain businesses had the previous mayor in their back pockets and they got whatever they wanted, even at the expense of the overall good of the city. Because he is not bought, he has the leverage to work in best interest of city, even if that is telling them no on some things. Every mayor should be able to say no to businesses if it doesn’t benefit the city. I expect him to get behind bringing business to Birmingham, but certain businesses won’t get priveleges based on their past contributions to campaigns. There is more I could say, but I will stop there.
+1
Ready to see what MAYOR Woodfin has in his plans as a new era begins.
It is important when expressing expectations that one remembers that the Mayor alone cannot legally spend a single cent of city money on any project - including the BJCC stadium. If B'ham is going to financially support any building done at the BJCC, the City Council will have to vote for it to be done. The fact that not one iota of this article asks anyone now on the Council about their feelings about spending for anything on our plate plays to this ignorance of the law and the way it operates.
The Mayor can be gracious, helpful, supportive and positive about local business and be a cheerleader for it, but when policy is to meet financial performance, the Council writes the checks.
I don't see any stadium being built in Birmingham until UAB builds an OCS honestly. A nice 50,000 seat one unless there's an open space to help with the kid friendly zone.
RE: Archibald: Randall Woodfin answers: What comes next for Birmingham - mixduptransistor - 10-06-2017 06:04 PM
(10-06-2017 03:48 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:(10-06-2017 02:15 PM)Big Dee Wrote:(10-06-2017 01:25 PM)ICB Wrote: Let me say this about Woodfin in comparison to Bell, you won’t get all the empty promises. On the stadium in particular, we have been talking about this for years, Bell has promised 3 times in the last 2 years that we would hear something soon, and still nothing. You won’t get that with Woodfin. We may not get the stadium, but we also won’t get empty promises. We will know soon after he’s in office what role Birmingham will play in the stadium if any. The stadium issue will be resolved one way or the other.
As far as businesses, his is not anti-business. He is anti, “line my pocket, get what you want” type business. He will deal with companies above board. When he said he will piss businesses off, read the next sentence, “I get to say no.” He is referring to the fact that certain businesses had the previous mayor in their back pockets and they got whatever they wanted, even at the expense of the overall good of the city. Because he is not bought, he has the leverage to work in best interest of city, even if that is telling them no on some things. Every mayor should be able to say no to businesses if it doesn’t benefit the city. I expect him to get behind bringing business to Birmingham, but certain businesses won’t get priveleges based on their past contributions to campaigns. There is more I could say, but I will stop there.
+1
Ready to see what MAYOR Woodfin has in his plans as a new era begins.
It is important when expressing expectations that one remembers that the Mayor acting alone cannot legally spend a single cent of city money on any project - including the BJCC renovation and stadium. If B'ham is going to financially support any building done at the BJCC, the City Council will have to vote for it to be done. The fact that not one iota of this article asks anyone now on the Council about their feelings about spending for anything on our plate plays to this ignorance of the law and the way it operates.
The Mayor can be gracious, helpful, supportive and positive about local business and be a cheerleader for it, but when policy is to meet financial performance, it is the Council who writes the checks.
As bad as it pains me to say it, you're correct. As important as what Woodfin thinks about a city contribution to a BJCC stadium, the new city council needs to be asked as well. Some of the biggest proponents, including the president of the city council, did not get re-elected. Woodfin could be the biggest cheerleader but if there's not a majority of votes on the council, it doesn't mean anything.
On the other hand, if the city council is united in wanting it to happen, Woodfin would have a hard time stopping it (although I don't see them being united in something like that)
I think ultimately it will come down to how much political capital, however little they may have, the business community wants to spend on it
RE: Archibald: Randall Woodfin answers: What comes next for Birmingham - Smaug - 10-07-2017 09:45 AM
(10-06-2017 03:54 PM)Big Dee Wrote:(10-06-2017 03:48 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:(10-06-2017 02:15 PM)Big Dee Wrote:(10-06-2017 01:25 PM)ICB Wrote: Let me say this about Woodfin in comparison to Bell, you won’t get all the empty promises. On the stadium in particular, we have been talking about this for years, Bell has promised 3 times in the last 2 years that we would hear something soon, and still nothing. You won’t get that with Woodfin. We may not get the stadium, but we also won’t get empty promises. We will know soon after he’s in office what role Birmingham will play in the stadium if any. The stadium issue will be resolved one way or the other.
As far as businesses, his is not anti-business. He is anti, “line my pocket, get what you want” type business. He will deal with companies above board. When he said he will piss businesses off, read the next sentence, “I get to say no.” He is referring to the fact that certain businesses had the previous mayor in their back pockets and they got whatever they wanted, even at the expense of the overall good of the city. Because he is not bought, he has the leverage to work in best interest of city, even if that is telling them no on some things. Every mayor should be able to say no to businesses if it doesn’t benefit the city. I expect him to get behind bringing business to Birmingham, but certain businesses won’t get priveleges based on their past contributions to campaigns. There is more I could say, but I will stop there.
+1
Ready to see what MAYOR Woodfin has in his plans as a new era begins.
It is important when expressing expectations that one remembers that the Mayor alone cannot legally spend a single cent of city money on any project - including the BJCC stadium. If B'ham is going to financially support any building done at the BJCC, the City Council will have to vote for it to be done. The fact that not one iota of this article asks anyone now on the Council about their feelings about spending for anything on our plate plays to this ignorance of the law and the way it operates.
The Mayor can be gracious, helpful, supportive and positive about local business and be a cheerleader for it, but when policy is to meet financial performance, the Council writes the checks.
I don't see any stadium being built in Birmingham until UAB builds an OCS honestly. A nice 50,000 seat one unless there's an open space to help with the kid friendly zone.
Then a stadium won't be built. At least until after a couple of high profile funerals.
RE: Archibald: Randall Woodfin answers: What comes next for Birmingham - UAB Band Dad - 10-07-2017 09:49 AM
(10-06-2017 03:48 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:(10-06-2017 02:15 PM)Big Dee Wrote:(10-06-2017 01:25 PM)ICB Wrote: Let me say this about Woodfin in comparison to Bell, you won’t get all the empty promises. On the stadium in particular, we have been talking about this for years, Bell has promised 3 times in the last 2 years that we would hear something soon, and still nothing. You won’t get that with Woodfin. We may not get the stadium, but we also won’t get empty promises. We will know soon after he’s in office what role Birmingham will play in the stadium if any. The stadium issue will be resolved one way or the other.
As far as businesses, his is not anti-business. He is anti, “line my pocket, get what you want” type business. He will deal with companies above board. When he said he will piss businesses off, read the next sentence, “I get to say no.” He is referring to the fact that certain businesses had the previous mayor in their back pockets and they got whatever they wanted, even at the expense of the overall good of the city. Because he is not bought, he has the leverage to work in best interest of city, even if that is telling them no on some things. Every mayor should be able to say no to businesses if it doesn’t benefit the city. I expect him to get behind bringing business to Birmingham, but certain businesses won’t get priveleges based on their past contributions to campaigns. There is more I could say, but I will stop there.
+1
Ready to see what MAYOR Woodfin has in his plans as a new era begins.
It is important when expressing expectations that one remembers that the Mayor acting alone cannot legally spend a single cent of city money on any project - including the BJCC renovation and stadium. If B'ham is going to financially support any building done at the BJCC, the City Council will have to vote for it to be done. The fact that not one iota of this article asks anyone now on the Council about their feelings about spending for anything on our plate plays to this ignorance of the law and the way it operates.
The Mayor can be gracious, helpful, supportive and positive about local business and be a cheerleader for it, but when policy is to meet financial performance, it is the Council who writes the checks.
Which is why it was a hugely good thing for this city that Jonathan Austin got sacked.
RE: Archibald: Randall Woodfin answers: What comes next for Birmingham - mixduptransistor - 10-07-2017 11:20 AM
(10-07-2017 09:49 AM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:(10-06-2017 03:48 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:(10-06-2017 02:15 PM)Big Dee Wrote:(10-06-2017 01:25 PM)ICB Wrote: Let me say this about Woodfin in comparison to Bell, you won’t get all the empty promises. On the stadium in particular, we have been talking about this for years, Bell has promised 3 times in the last 2 years that we would hear something soon, and still nothing. You won’t get that with Woodfin. We may not get the stadium, but we also won’t get empty promises. We will know soon after he’s in office what role Birmingham will play in the stadium if any. The stadium issue will be resolved one way or the other.
As far as businesses, his is not anti-business. He is anti, “line my pocket, get what you want” type business. He will deal with companies above board. When he said he will piss businesses off, read the next sentence, “I get to say no.” He is referring to the fact that certain businesses had the previous mayor in their back pockets and they got whatever they wanted, even at the expense of the overall good of the city. Because he is not bought, he has the leverage to work in best interest of city, even if that is telling them no on some things. Every mayor should be able to say no to businesses if it doesn’t benefit the city. I expect him to get behind bringing business to Birmingham, but certain businesses won’t get priveleges based on their past contributions to campaigns. There is more I could say, but I will stop there.
+1
Ready to see what MAYOR Woodfin has in his plans as a new era begins.
It is important when expressing expectations that one remembers that the Mayor acting alone cannot legally spend a single cent of city money on any project - including the BJCC renovation and stadium. If B'ham is going to financially support any building done at the BJCC, the City Council will have to vote for it to be done. The fact that not one iota of this article asks anyone now on the Council about their feelings about spending for anything on our plate plays to this ignorance of the law and the way it operates.
The Mayor can be gracious, helpful, supportive and positive about local business and be a cheerleader for it, but when policy is to meet financial performance, it is the Council who writes the checks.
Which is why it was a hugely good thing for this city that Jonathan Austin got sacked.
What's his replacement's stance on UAB and the stadium? Because he seemed to be a pretty big pro-UAB voice on the council
RE: Archibald: Randall Woodfin answers: What comes next for Birmingham - Matrix - 10-08-2017 04:27 PM
I've got a bad feeling about all this...
RE: Archibald: Randall Woodfin answers: What comes next for Birmingham - hooverblazer - 10-08-2017 04:56 PM
(10-07-2017 11:20 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:(10-07-2017 09:49 AM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:(10-06-2017 03:48 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:(10-06-2017 02:15 PM)Big Dee Wrote:(10-06-2017 01:25 PM)ICB Wrote: Let me say this about Woodfin in comparison to Bell, you won’t get all the empty promises. On the stadium in particular, we have been talking about this for years, Bell has promised 3 times in the last 2 years that we would hear something soon, and still nothing. You won’t get that with Woodfin. We may not get the stadium, but we also won’t get empty promises. We will know soon after he’s in office what role Birmingham will play in the stadium if any. The stadium issue will be resolved one way or the other.
As far as businesses, his is not anti-business. He is anti, “line my pocket, get what you want” type business. He will deal with companies above board. When he said he will piss businesses off, read the next sentence, “I get to say no.” He is referring to the fact that certain businesses had the previous mayor in their back pockets and they got whatever they wanted, even at the expense of the overall good of the city. Because he is not bought, he has the leverage to work in best interest of city, even if that is telling them no on some things. Every mayor should be able to say no to businesses if it doesn’t benefit the city. I expect him to get behind bringing business to Birmingham, but certain businesses won’t get priveleges based on their past contributions to campaigns. There is more I could say, but I will stop there.
+1
Ready to see what MAYOR Woodfin has in his plans as a new era begins.
It is important when expressing expectations that one remembers that the Mayor acting alone cannot legally spend a single cent of city money on any project - including the BJCC renovation and stadium. If B'ham is going to financially support any building done at the BJCC, the City Council will have to vote for it to be done. The fact that not one iota of this article asks anyone now on the Council about their feelings about spending for anything on our plate plays to this ignorance of the law and the way it operates.
The Mayor can be gracious, helpful, supportive and positive about local business and be a cheerleader for it, but when policy is to meet financial performance, it is the Council who writes the checks.
Which is why it was a hugely good thing for this city that Jonathan Austin got sacked.
What's his replacement's stance on UAB and the stadium? Because he seemed to be a pretty big pro-UAB voice on the council
Austin was only going to vote for a dome. He was a no vote on an open air stadium.
I've personally spoken with O'Quinn (Austin's replacement) and he supports an open air stadium. He's also a UAB employee.
RE: Archibald: Randall Woodfin answers: What comes next for Birmingham - mixduptransistor - 10-08-2017 05:36 PM
(10-08-2017 04:56 PM)hooverblazer Wrote: I've personally spoken with O'Quinn..... He's also a UAB employee.
That's interesting, and not necessarily a good thing. UAB had put in a lot of restrictions/required approvals for UAB employees running for elected office, to prevent future John Rogers-style issues. Maybe those only applied to state offices.
RE: Archibald: Randall Woodfin answers: What comes next for Birmingham - BAMANBLAZERFAN - 10-08-2017 06:06 PM
The newly elected Mayor and Council members take office next month so I believe we will see some indication of their feelings about the BJCC issues soon after that. I'm sure their phones have been busy with "friends" and important business persons wishing them well and suggesting measures they want to see addressed ASAP. The rest of us will just have to wait for all that dust to settle to see what these new folks want to do first..
I have always believed that building the MPF of substantial size is the best way for B'ham to move into the big convention market competition. A decision to build the smaller, less versatile open air venue would probably move the city permanently "to the back of the bus" in such competition.
That would seem to dictate that more and more of rising city expenses will have to be paid by its local citizens in higher local taxes or accept diminished municipal services. Those who want the expensive neighborhood projects may see them sacrificed to provide for police, fire / EMT and sanitation services -- not to mention road and street light maintenance.