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RE: Position Grades SDSU - armour248 - 10-04-2017 07:42 PM
Keep in mind badmoon called me something along the lines of a "disgusting idiot" because I suggested that the players have responsibility for what happens on the field. Good luck getting your message across.
RE: Position Grades SDSU - HuskieJWN - 10-04-2017 07:47 PM
(10-04-2017 04:25 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote: I'm sure many players feel like the running game could have won the game for us and I'm sure the coaches are doing some second guessing on their decision after watching film. I'm also very critical because the play was so contrary to their ultra conservative philosophy. I called for calculated risks not go all out with 2:30 left. Had we scored, they would have marched right down and kicked the winning FG. They were completing chunks of passing yards all game.
SDSU had big chunks on offense and would have driven for a field goal? Any stats to back that up?
Look at scoring drives
1. Kickoff Return - Not offense
2. TD pass for 33 yards (short field)
3. TD for interception - Not offense
4. TD pass for 8 yards longest play was 21 yards
5. FG set up by 23 yard by Penny
6. FG on a drive with mostly runs (one completion of 11 yards)
On 3 of four TDs the offense gained a total of 33 yards.
Their QB was 10/19 for 136 yards and a long of 33. That's not exactly eating up yards. But you're right, they clearly would have gone down and scored a FG while going 1/13 on 3rd down. Your argument is backed in solid facts...
RE: Position Grades SDSU - HuskieJWN - 10-04-2017 07:49 PM
(10-04-2017 07:42 PM)armour248 Wrote: Keep in mind badmoon called me something along the lines of a "disgusting idiot" because I suggested that the players have responsibility for what happens on the field. Good luck getting your message across.
I say one was an idiot for thinking kids wouldn't take most of the blame for 4 turnovers so that might not have been well played. But at some point we have to realize success and failure falls on a mixture of both parties.
RE: Position Grades SDSU - Djud - 10-04-2017 08:05 PM
I don't think Badmoon is saying Santa didn't screw up; he did. I think he is questioning the decision to pass given all the variable. As I said In a prior thread, this time for real! ...
My last thought then I am done with SDSU. Although I don't like the pass call, I understand it. I would have liked it if it was from the 40 yard line not the 20. Santa in his brief run as the QB has added an exciting element to our offense; now that the DBs have to respect tthe deep pass; defenses cannot stack the box which has significantly helped our run game. Against Nebraska we could have only come back to win the game if we passed deep; Santa had to step up, and he did. Against SDSU, we are only in the game, and we were only able to come back from a huge halftime deficient by completing deep passes, again Santa stepped up. So I get the temptation to go to the well again. This time it didn't work. Santa has to make either a better decision, or a better pass in that situation, he did neither. The coaches put a key play in his hands and he failed to deliver. He owned it ("100% on me"), now he has to learn from it. Unfortunately, screwing up is what becoming experienced is all about.
RE: Position Grades SDSU - badmoonrising13 - 10-04-2017 08:12 PM
(10-04-2017 07:49 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:(10-04-2017 07:42 PM)armour248 Wrote: Keep in mind badmoon called me something along the lines of a "disgusting idiot" because I suggested that the players have responsibility for what happens on the field. Good luck getting your message across.
I say one was an idiot for thinking kids wouldn't take most of the blame for 4 turnovers so that might not have been well played. But at some point we have to realize success and failure falls on a mixture of both parties.
Despite the 4 turnovers the kids played well enough to get within 20 yards of winning. Who's responsibility was it to give the kids the best chance to win? You guys want to blame the players for the four turnovers and not give them credit for their great play?
RE: Position Grades SDSU - badmoonrising13 - 10-04-2017 08:14 PM
(10-04-2017 07:42 PM)armour248 Wrote: Keep in mind badmoon called me something along the lines of a "disgusting idiot" because I suggested that the players have responsibility for what happens on the field. Good luck getting your message across.
You didn't tell me to leave the site? I was already upset with the loss and you want to blame the players when it was the coaches folly that cost them the game at the end. You are the most disgusting of idiots.
RE: Position Grades SDSU - badmoonrising13 - 10-04-2017 08:19 PM
I posted my thought real time on the game thread. There's nothing I haven't said at the game thead I haven't mentioned here. Yet you disgusting idiot come to defend guys who have been making questionable decision over questionable decision. Our kids deserve better. Hopefully the team will not be affected too much by this loss. If I'm on this team I'd feel let down by the coaches.
RE: Position Grades SDSU - HuskieJWN - 10-04-2017 08:23 PM
(10-04-2017 08:12 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:(10-04-2017 07:49 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:(10-04-2017 07:42 PM)armour248 Wrote: Keep in mind badmoon called me something along the lines of a "disgusting idiot" because I suggested that the players have responsibility for what happens on the field. Good luck getting your message across.
I say one was an idiot for thinking kids wouldn't take most of the blame for 4 turnovers so that might not have been well played. But at some point we have to realize success and failure falls on a mixture of both parties.
Despite the 4 turnovers the kids played well enough to get within 20 yards of winning. Who's responsibility was it to give the kids the best chance to win? You guys want to blame the players for the four turnovers and not give them credit for their great play?
Except, I did. I explicitly said Santa was a major reason they were in the game. Blake and Huff were clearly better than any players SDSU had on the field. They deserve the credit for the execution on their great play. but they also didn't call any of the plays they scored on. Coach U did, so good for him. He also called a stupid jet sweep, which FYI if you're in the shotgun every jet sweep should be a two handed toss on the run so you never lose a fumble like that. That's on both coaches and Parchment.
I'm done trying to show that football has to have both props and blame to both parties, not just the way you see it.
What kind of insult is disgusting idiot?
RE: Position Grades SDSU - badmoonrising13 - 10-04-2017 08:24 PM
(10-04-2017 07:47 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:(10-04-2017 04:25 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote: I'm sure many players feel like the running game could have won the game for us and I'm sure the coaches are doing some second guessing on their decision after watching film. I'm also very critical because the play was so contrary to their ultra conservative philosophy. I called for calculated risks not go all out with 2:30 left. Had we scored, they would have marched right down and kicked the winning FG. They were completing chunks of passing yards all game.
SDSU had big chunks on offense and would have driven for a field goal? Any stats to back that up?
Look at scoring drives
1. Kickoff Return - Not offense
2. TD pass for 33 yards (short field)
3. TD for interception - Not offense
4. TD pass for 8 yards longest play was 21 yards
5. FG set up by 23 yard by Penny
6. FG on a drive with mostly runs (one completion of 11 yards)
On 3 of four TDs the offense gained a total of 33 yards.
Their QB was 10/19 for 136 yards and a long of 33. That's not exactly eating up yards. But you're right, they clearly would have gone down and scored a FG while going 1/13 on 3rd down. Your argument is backed in solid facts...
LOL When they needed a score they scored each time. Luckily our punter pinned them deep three times wher our defense was able stuff their run and they were content to punt the ball back to us. Pretty sure their fans, team and coaches would have been confident down 1 with the ball with 2:30 left.
RE: Position Grades SDSU - badmoonrising13 - 10-04-2017 08:30 PM
(10-04-2017 08:23 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:(10-04-2017 08:12 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:(10-04-2017 07:49 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:(10-04-2017 07:42 PM)armour248 Wrote: Keep in mind badmoon called me something along the lines of a "disgusting idiot" because I suggested that the players have responsibility for what happens on the field. Good luck getting your message across.
I say one was an idiot for thinking kids wouldn't take most of the blame for 4 turnovers so that might not have been well played. But at some point we have to realize success and failure falls on a mixture of both parties.
Despite the 4 turnovers the kids played well enough to get within 20 yards of winning. Who's responsibility was it to give the kids the best chance to win? You guys want to blame the players for the four turnovers and not give them credit for their great play?
Except, I did. I explicitly said Santa was a major reason they were in the game. Blake and Huff were clearly better than any players SDSU had on the field. They deserve the credit for the execution on their great play. but they also didn't call any of the plays they scored on. Coach U did, so good for him. He also called a stupid jet sweep, which FYI if you're in the shotgun every jet sweep should be a two handed toss on the run so you never lose a fumble like that. That's on both coaches and Parchment.
I'm done trying to show that football has to have both props and blame to both parties, not just the way you see it.
What kind of insult is disgusting idiot?
Obviously you only want to spew your own little (lack) of understanding of my posts. So don't even bother responding to me. You just blab nonsense. I have clearly stated I expect players to make mistakes. It's up to the well-compensated professional coaches to help them overcome those mistakes or minimize the mistakes like when they finally took Lurry off punt return because that's a disaster waiting to happen. But really it's a waste of my time with you. Bye.
RE: Position Grades SDSU - HuskieJWN - 10-04-2017 08:31 PM
(10-04-2017 08:24 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:(10-04-2017 07:47 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:(10-04-2017 04:25 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote: I'm sure many players feel like the running game could have won the game for us and I'm sure the coaches are doing some second guessing on their decision after watching film. I'm also very critical because the play was so contrary to their ultra conservative philosophy. I called for calculated risks not go all out with 2:30 left. Had we scored, they would have marched right down and kicked the winning FG. They were completing chunks of passing yards all game.
SDSU had big chunks on offense and would have driven for a field goal? Any stats to back that up?
Look at scoring drives
1. Kickoff Return - Not offense
2. TD pass for 33 yards (short field)
3. TD for interception - Not offense
4. TD pass for 8 yards longest play was 21 yards
5. FG set up by 23 yard by Penny
6. FG on a drive with mostly runs (one completion of 11 yards)
On 3 of four TDs the offense gained a total of 33 yards.
Their QB was 10/19 for 136 yards and a long of 33. That's not exactly eating up yards. But you're right, they clearly would have gone down and scored a FG while going 1/13 on 3rd down. Your argument is backed in solid facts...
LOL When they needed a score they scored each time. Luckily our punter pinned them deep three times wher our defense was able stuff their run and they were content to punt the ball back to us. Pretty sure their fans, team and coaches would have been confident down 1 with the ball with 2:30 left.
Again, where are the facts that back this up? Just saying they scored when they needed to? They were never pressed to score, they never trailed. Their offense was also terrible statistically, but you're correct Chapman would have led a Tom brady like drive because SDSU scored when they needed to.
Use facts or something or stats to actually show you have anything to back up your claim.
RE: Position Grades SDSU - badmoonrising13 - 10-04-2017 08:38 PM
Yeah they're 5-0 and have played in a lot of close games. And they looked very good at the end of the half. They are a confident bunch who expect to win. You don't give them the ball with 2:30. You really are a troll.
RE: Position Grades SDSU - MaddDawgz02 - 10-04-2017 10:45 PM
(10-04-2017 08:31 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:(10-04-2017 08:24 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:(10-04-2017 07:47 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:(10-04-2017 04:25 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote: I'm sure many players feel like the running game could have won the game for us and I'm sure the coaches are doing some second guessing on their decision after watching film. I'm also very critical because the play was so contrary to their ultra conservative philosophy. I called for calculated risks not go all out with 2:30 left. Had we scored, they would have marched right down and kicked the winning FG. They were completing chunks of passing yards all game.
SDSU had big chunks on offense and would have driven for a field goal? Any stats to back that up?
Look at scoring drives
1. Kickoff Return - Not offense
2. TD pass for 33 yards (short field)
3. TD for interception - Not offense
4. TD pass for 8 yards longest play was 21 yards
5. FG set up by 23 yard by Penny
6. FG on a drive with mostly runs (one completion of 11 yards)
On 3 of four TDs the offense gained a total of 33 yards.
Their QB was 10/19 for 136 yards and a long of 33. That's not exactly eating up yards. But you're right, they clearly would have gone down and scored a FG while going 1/13 on 3rd down. Your argument is backed in solid facts...
LOL When they needed a score they scored each time. Luckily our punter pinned them deep three times wher our defense was able stuff their run and they were content to punt the ball back to us. Pretty sure their fans, team and coaches would have been confident down 1 with the ball with 2:30 left.
Again, where are the facts that back this up? Just saying they scored when they needed to? They were never pressed to score, they never trailed. Their offense was also terrible statistically, but you're correct Chapman would have led a Tom brady like drive because SDSU scored when they needed to.
Use facts or something or stats to actually show you have anything to back up your claim.
NIU defense dominated SDSU in the entire 2nd half of the game
RE: Position Grades SDSU - badmoonrising13 - 10-05-2017 05:07 AM
Thanks to some great punting by Ference (and penalties) and pinning them deep. Their last three drives, they had no choice to play conservatively and our run stopping was obviously dominant. When their offense need a big play or a big drive they have always gotten it this year. But I'm getting tired of beating this dead horse.
RE: Position Grades SDSU - badmoonrising13 - 10-05-2017 05:26 AM
Our defense is great but we did give up a TD drive to BC at the end of the first half and the big drive near the end of the game before we missed the FG. We did also give up the FG at the end of the first half against SDSU. Of course there were clock management issues but I would not have felt very confident with SDSU with the ball with 2:30 left in the game needing only a FG. But since it never materialized the point is moot.
RE: Position Grades SDSU - NIU17 - 10-05-2017 12:42 PM
(10-05-2017 05:07 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote: Thanks to some great punting by Ference (and penalties) and pinning them deep. Their last three drives, they had no choice to play conservatively and our run stopping was obviously dominant. When their offense need a big play or a big drive they have always gotten it this year. But I'm getting tired of beating this dead horse.
You seem to like beating a dead horse. 
RE: Position Grades SDSU - Policiious - 10-05-2017 12:52 PM
Defense was absolutely terrific, gave up only 10 first downs to a 4-0 team that beat 2 PAC 12 teams. Hard for me not to give the entire D a B+ if not an A.
Oline a B at best, run blocking was very solid, pass blocking not. Santa was sacked 4 times, some of that is on him and some on the Oline but 4 sacks in a game is alot.
Special Teams not very special at all, 4 returns 162 yards, even subtracting out the 98 yard TD return that is still 64 yards on the other 3. D
THe offense sputtered way too often besides the 4 turnovers and 4 sacks, NIU punted 8 times, yes SGST punted 10 but 8 punts in a game is quite a few. C+
BUt to out yard SD ST by 417 to 263 just spells a heart breaking loss for a team that played with hearts, courage and guts. Have to proud of the effoirt the HUskies displayed on the road against an undefeated and ranked team.
This team should be 4-0, losing 2 games that should have been won is tough for a fan base to take
RE: Position Grades SDSU - epasnoopy - 10-05-2017 02:57 PM
The defense only gave up three points the entire 2nd half to keep us in the game. Pretty impressive.
RE: Position Grades SDSU - badmoonrising13 - 10-05-2017 03:02 PM
(10-05-2017 12:42 PM)NIU17 Wrote:(10-05-2017 05:07 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote: Thanks to some great punting by Ference (and penalties) and pinning them deep. Their last three drives, they had no choice to play conservatively and our run stopping was obviously dominant. When their offense need a big play or a big drive they have always gotten it this year. But I'm getting tired of beating this dead horse.
If they stopped with their moronic responses I'd stop. But it's so obvious the coaches made a crucial mistake at the end of the game clock management wise and game plan wise. I don't think even a high school JV coaching staff would have blown that golden opportunity with the ball at the SDSU 20 with 2:30 left and the o-line dominating. Even with those turnovers and the line dominating the coaches still wanted to put the ball at risk? Makes no sense. But hey if these morons want to blame the players for screwing up, whatever. I thought the players did a great job and the coaches (while they had some shining moments of giving Santa some big plays) screwed up what should have been the easiest decision they faced all game.
RE: Position Grades SDSU - sterling1man - 10-06-2017 02:36 PM
(10-01-2017 11:53 AM)NIU05 Wrote: Coaching staff is doing a fine job.
Santa? Surprised how his passing as improved so much compared to last year. Still not his strength. IMO, he tries to throw TOO HARD on shorter routes, he's forcing and not playing QB. Maybe someone knows more about throwing,effort and motion.
Notice they played Childers so Santa would not take hits. Not sure just cause of ability, but glad he is getting his feet wet
Agree that coaching (accept for special teams) is doing a fine job.
The second half adjustments were magnificent.
Without a solid kick coverage we cannot win our conference.
Clearly our kicking game needs to improve. (Hard to win close games w/o a solid kicker).
Injuries need to remain low. This has been our Achilles heel in past years.