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2016 WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - JRsec - 09-24-2017 11:35 PM B1G: 1. Ohio State: 1,510,482,000 6. Michigan: 892,951,000 12. Penn State: 549,497,000 14. Nebraska: 507,679,000 16. Iowa: 483,564,000 18. Wisconsin: 439,379,000 22. Michigan St: 336,794,000 32. Minnesota: 260,264,000 44. Indiana: 178,168,000 46. Northwestern: 163,315,000 49. Maryland: 147,608,000 53. Illinois: 143,318,000 55. Purdue: 135,021,000 65. Rutgers: 72,441,000 B1G Total: $5,820,481,000 B1G Average Per School Value: $415,748,643 B12: 2. Texas: 1,243,124,000 3. Oklahoma: 1,001,967,000 29. Oklahoma St: 285,293,000 30. Kansas St.: 277,203,000 34. Texas Tech: 246,871,000 41. Iowa State: 196,973,000 43. Kansas: 183,031,000 48. T.C.U.: 153,631,000 59. Baylor: 103,591,000 66. West Virginia: 72,649,000 Big 12 Total: $3,764,333,000 Big 12 Average Per School Value: $376,433,300 SEC: 4. Alabama: 930,001,000 5. Louisiana St: 910,927,000 8. Georgia: 822,310,000 9. Tennessee: 745,640,000 10. Auburn: 724,191,000 11. Florida: 682,031,000 13. Texas A&M: 522,863,000 15. South Carolina: 484,757,000 17. Arkansas: 456,153,000 23. Mississippi: 330,503,000 28. Kentucky: 287,589,000 35. Mississippi St: 230,655,000 56. Missouri: 126,219,000 64. Vanderbilt: 73,991,000 SEC Total: $7,327,830,000 SEC Average Per School Value: $523,416,428 PAC: 19. Washington: 434,313,000 21. Oregon: 368,529,000 25. U.S.C.: 324,195,000 26. Arizona St.: 315,412,000 27. U.C.L.A.: 314,436,000 36. Stanford: 225,479,000 37. California: 220,017,000 39. Utah: 206,365,000 40. Colorado: 203,533,000 51. Arizona: 146,153,000 52. Oregon St.: 144,713,000 54. Washington St: 142,052,000 PAC Total: $3,045,197,000 PAC Average Per School Value: $253,766,417 ACC: *7. Notre Dame: 856,938,000 20. Florida St.: 385,339,000 24. Clemson: 328,411,000 31. Virginia Tech: 269,883,000 33. Miami: 254,502,000 38. Georgia Tech: 212,068,000 42. N.C. State: 191,813,000 45. Virginia: 168,534,000 47. Louisville: 160,899,000 50. North Carolina: 147,179,000 57. Syracuse: 120,903,000 58. Pittsburgh: 114,468,000 62. Boston College: 82,241,000 68. Duke: 64,195,000 70. Wake Forest: 52,940,000 ACC Total: $2,533,375,000 ACC Average Per School Value: $182,383,929 *Note: Notre Dame's value is not included in the ACC totals *************************** G5 Schools to the 72nd Position: 60. Brigham Young: 98,924,000 61. Central Florida: 82,302,000 63. Boise State: 77,981,000 67. South Florida: 70,189,000 69. Connecticut: 59,776,000 71. Houston: 41,381,000 72. Temple: 40,669,000 To find the difference in valuation for basketball schools I would suggest you take a look at your Gross Total Revenue, subtract the amount generated by Basketball, and then divide it by the total to find the % of your revenue generated by basketball. For Total Gross Revenue Rankings use this link and then scroll down to Post #10: csnbbs.com/thread-821515.html RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - BePcr07 - 09-25-2017 12:21 AM The G5's surprise me a bit. I figured Houston and South Florida would be much higher. Boise St is likely on the down. Also shocking that only Ohio St, Texas, and Oklahoma cross the billion-dollar threshold. Especially Notre Dame. The PAC is down and the XII has a massive gap between #1/2 and the rest. RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - XLance - 09-25-2017 04:37 AM Methodology? Football only? Anybody can make statistics tell any story they want. Who funded the research? RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - AllTideUp - 09-25-2017 05:47 AM (09-25-2017 04:37 AM)XLance Wrote: Methodology? I'd be interested to see the basketball numbers too, but do you really think the WSJ has a bias against the ACC and basketball in general? RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - AllTideUp - 09-25-2017 05:54 AM I'm a little surprised by the PAC. I figured USC would be the clear #1. Also interesting that there are only 3 B1G schools that are above the SEC average. RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - XLance - 09-25-2017 07:45 AM (09-25-2017 05:47 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:(09-25-2017 04:37 AM)XLance Wrote: Methodology? No, I think researchers always give the desired results to the folks that fund the research. RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - AllTideUp - 09-25-2017 11:11 AM MSN published a summary of the WSJ article that also happens to be behind a paywall. Finance professor values college football teams Lance, did the ACC turn down a membership for Indiana University-Purdue University of Columbus? They seem to be the culprit. RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - murrdcu - 09-25-2017 12:00 PM Whose couch did West Virginia set on fire to be that low? WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - Lenvillecards - 09-25-2017 12:18 PM (09-25-2017 07:45 AM)XLance Wrote:(09-25-2017 05:47 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:(09-25-2017 04:37 AM)XLance Wrote: Methodology? Yeah, I would like to know what these numbers are based on as well. Louisville is top 3 in the ACC when it comes to athletic budgets & this has teams with smaller football budgets ahead of Louisville. Furthermore, Louisville is 1 of only 6 teams that has appeared in the last 21 AP top 25 rankings. I'm sure you could raise similar questions about other teams & conferences. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - mj4life - 09-25-2017 12:47 PM (09-25-2017 05:47 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:(09-25-2017 04:37 AM)XLance Wrote: Methodology? Any value ranking that has UVA,NCSU & Georgia Tech ahead of UNC is flawed IMO & definitely not 40-50 million more RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - JRsec - 09-25-2017 12:51 PM (09-25-2017 12:47 PM)mj4life Wrote:(09-25-2017 05:47 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:(09-25-2017 04:37 AM)XLance Wrote: Methodology? These numbers are predominantly based on football value. In the pinned section of this board is a thread on Total Revenue by school. It has 2 links. You will find at the bottom of that thread a post by me that breaks down the conference rankings by Total Revenue. Kansas is roughly in the same position in the Big 12 in total revenue as they are here. In most conferences basketball only reflects 15-20% of the total revenue. But, look at both lists and the lopsided valuation for football will be reflected with minor exceptions in both lists. NOTE: I'VE PINNED THE LINK TO REVENUE TOTALS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE OP. LOOK FOR POST #10. RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - mj4life - 09-25-2017 05:42 PM (09-25-2017 12:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:I was referring to football only also, their is no metric that I would use like total revenue, sponsorship, local media etc that any of the schools listed ahead of UNC generate more value. Even the biggest NCSU homer doesn't believe their football program is 40 million more valuable than UNC period.(09-25-2017 12:47 PM)mj4life Wrote:(09-25-2017 05:47 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:(09-25-2017 04:37 AM)XLance Wrote: Methodology? RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - JRsec - 09-25-2017 05:51 PM (09-25-2017 05:42 PM)mj4life Wrote:(09-25-2017 12:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:I was referring to football only also, their is no metric that I would use like total revenue, sponsorship, local media etc that any of the schools listed ahead of UNC generate more value. Even the biggest NCSU homer doesn't believe their football program is 40 million more valuable than UNC period.(09-25-2017 12:47 PM)mj4life Wrote:(09-25-2017 05:47 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:(09-25-2017 04:37 AM)XLance Wrote: Methodology? I didn't create the numbers, I just posted them for discussion. Usually the WSJ has credible methodology. Too bad we can't ask them how they came up with the figures. RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - mj4life - 09-25-2017 06:38 PM (09-25-2017 05:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:I'm not knocking you, just based on my knowledge of what each football program brings in so just don't see state being worth that much more. Their average attendance is higher but their sponsorship, donor base etc is still significantly lower than UNC even though our football base is extremely fickle.(09-25-2017 05:42 PM)mj4life Wrote:(09-25-2017 12:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:I was referring to football only also, their is no metric that I would use like total revenue, sponsorship, local media etc that any of the schools listed ahead of UNC generate more value. Even the biggest NCSU homer doesn't believe their football program is 40 million more valuable than UNC period.(09-25-2017 12:47 PM)mj4life Wrote:(09-25-2017 05:47 AM)AllTideUp Wrote: I'd be interested to see the basketball numbers too, but do you really think the WSJ has a bias against the ACC and basketball in general? RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - JRsec - 09-25-2017 06:49 PM (09-25-2017 06:38 PM)mj4life Wrote:(09-25-2017 05:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:I'm not knocking you, just based on my knowledge of what each football program brings in so just don't see state being worth that much more. Their average attendance is higher but their sponsorship, donor base etc is still significantly lower than UNC even though our football base is extremely fickle.(09-25-2017 05:42 PM)mj4life Wrote:(09-25-2017 12:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:I was referring to football only also, their is no metric that I would use like total revenue, sponsorship, local media etc that any of the schools listed ahead of UNC generate more value. Even the biggest NCSU homer doesn't believe their football program is 40 million more valuable than UNC period.(09-25-2017 12:47 PM)mj4life Wrote: Any value ranking that has UVA,NCSU & Georgia Tech ahead of UNC is flawed IMO & definitely not 40-50 million more I have a site (Wedge first posted it) where you can look at Revenue Totals as they are broken down by sport. You might find more data to explain the valuations by checking that sight. It is a government site and the totals are as reported on tax info: https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/search Well MJ I did the work for you from the tax returns and here are the facts: UNC Revenue: Football: 40,515,499 Basketball: 21,839,115 Other Sports: 11,244,253 Revenue not allocated to gender sports: 17,383,651 Total Revenue: 90,969,518 Duke Revenue: Football: 31,795,916 Basketball: 34,176,346 Other Sports: 21,488,785 Revenue not allocated to gender sports: 4,510,789 Total Revenue: 91,971,836 N.C. State Revenue: Football: 39,539,932 Basketball: 14,483,517 Other Sports: 10,826,838 Revenue not allocated to gender sports: 15,188,861 Total Revenue: 80,225,029 Kentucky Revenue: Football: 39,714,834 Basketball: 27,892,672 Other Sports: 1,888,620 Revenue not allocated to gender sports: 54,491,573 Total Revenue: 124,006,908 So, N.C. State from their tax returns took in roughly 8 million more than Duke in football and about 1 million less than UNC and roughly about the same as Kentucky from the SEC. Their basketball money lagged Duke by 20 million, UNC by 7.5 million, and Kentucky by 13.5 million. Revenue not allocated to gender sports is inclusive of TV Revenue (all tiers), and concessions and a few other incidental categories. Here N.C. State trailed UNC by 2 million, led Duke by 10.5 million, and trailed Kentucky of the SEC by 39 million. So it's nip an tuck as to whether UNC or NCState earn the most in football. NCState may nip you this year. Duke has the most balance and trails both in football by 8 million and N.C. State is on par with Kentucky in football. The SEC's Network and TV contract make up most of the 39 million difference in non allocated revenue. RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference: - mj4life - 09-25-2017 07:15 PM (09-25-2017 06:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:That's my point, state generates 39 million in revenue while UNC generates 40 million while averaging 5,000 less in attendance. The same year their athletic foundation raised 32 million versus 62 million & the list goes on .(09-25-2017 06:38 PM)mj4life Wrote:(09-25-2017 05:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:I'm not knocking you, just based on my knowledge of what each football program brings in so just don't see state being worth that much more. Their average attendance is higher but their sponsorship, donor base etc is still significantly lower than UNC even though our football base is extremely fickle.(09-25-2017 05:42 PM)mj4life Wrote:(09-25-2017 12:51 PM)JRsec Wrote: These numbers are predominantly based on football value. In the pinned section of this board is a thread on Total Revenue by school. It has 2 links. You will find at the bottom of that thread a post by me that breaks down the conference rankings by Total Revenue. Kansas is roughly in the same position in the Big 12 in total revenue as they are here. In most conferences basketball only reflects 15-20% of the total revenue.I was referring to football only also, their is no metric that I would use like total revenue, sponsorship, local media etc that any of the schools listed ahead of UNC generate more value. Even the biggest NCSU homer doesn't believe their football program is 40 million more valuable than UNC period. |