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Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - cb4029 - 09-21-2017 09:08 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-shoot-kill-deaf-man-011500406.html
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - miko33 - 09-21-2017 09:32 AM
Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - Fitbud - 09-21-2017 09:34 AM
(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - Paul M - 09-21-2017 09:36 AM
(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
Yeah, standing back and watching rioters and looters break the law.
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - HeartOfDixie - 09-21-2017 09:41 AM
(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
That and approaching cops with a pipe.
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - Fitbud - 09-21-2017 09:42 AM
(09-21-2017 09:36 AM)Paul M Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
Yeah, standing back and watching rioters and looters break the law.
What's more important? The life of a person or material possessions?
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - stinkfist - 09-21-2017 09:46 AM
(09-21-2017 09:36 AM)Paul M Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
Yeah, standing back and watching rioters and looters break the law.
see, we can agree.....
back to the thread topic....it's simply one more tragic event that happens by the min all over the world....
the OP conveniently left this out....
Quote:Magdiel Sanchez, 35, didn’t obey commands to drop the pipe before one cop shot him and another fired a Taser round, Oklahoma City Police Capt. Bo Mathews said at a Wednesday press conference. The two did not hear witnesses shouting, “He can’t hear you,” Mathews said.
Quote:Sgt. Chris Barnes and Lt. Matthew Lindsey ordered Sanchez to put down the pipe, which measured about two feet and was attached to the deaf man’s wrist with a leather band, authorities said.
Instead, Sanchez walked toward them. When he was about two feet from the officers, they opened fire, Mathews said. Barnes, who fired the gun, has been placed on paid administrative leave pending an investigation.
why one went taser and the other discharged a firearm will become the issue...
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - DefCONNOne - 09-21-2017 09:47 AM
(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
It pleases me to no end that you think every cop shooting is the cops fault. Never mind the facts of each case, if a cop shoots somebody, it's the cops fault.
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - Fitbud - 09-21-2017 09:49 AM
(09-21-2017 09:47 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
It pleases me to no end that you think every cop shooting is the cops fault. Never mind the facts of each case, if a cop shoots somebody, it's the cops fault.
I have not given my opinion on this case. I simply asked a question.
Perhaps you can answer the question.
Can you think of an incident when a cop wrongfully shot and killed someone? Honest question.
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - South Carolina Duke - 09-21-2017 09:51 AM
(09-21-2017 09:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:36 AM)Paul M Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
Yeah, standing back and watching rioters and looters break the law.
What's more important? The life of a person or material possessions?
Straw man argument again Fit. The moment I saw the thread I knew it was authored by Fit or this guy, there's no difference between you two.
Why do feel that the Police are the Only individuals that have accountability For anything?
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - Fitbud - 09-21-2017 09:52 AM
(09-21-2017 09:51 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:36 AM)Paul M Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
Yeah, standing back and watching rioters and looters break the law.
What's more important? The life of a person or material possessions?
Straw man argument again Fit. The moment I saw the thread I knew it was authored by Fit or this guy
I did not author this thread.
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - stinkfist - 09-21-2017 09:52 AM
(09-21-2017 09:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:47 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
It pleases me to no end that you think every cop shooting is the cops fault. Never mind the facts of each case, if a cop shoots somebody, it's the cops fault.
I have not given my opinion on this case. I simply asked a question.
Perhaps you can answer the question.
Can you think of an incident when a cop wrongfully shot and killed someone? Honest question.
NO!
YOUR ILK IS THE PROBLEM EVERY SINGLE TIME!
THERE IS NOTHING SERIOUS ABOUT ANYTHING YOU EVER POST!
YOU ARE FULL OF EXCREMENT!
YOU FOOL NOBODY!
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - Fitbud - 09-21-2017 09:54 AM
(09-21-2017 09:52 AM)stinkfist Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:47 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
It pleases me to no end that you think every cop shooting is the cops fault. Never mind the facts of each case, if a cop shoots somebody, it's the cops fault.
I have not given my opinion on this case. I simply asked a question.
Perhaps you can answer the question.
Can you think of an incident when a cop wrongfully shot and killed someone? Honest question.
NO!
YOUR ILK IS THE PROBLEM EVERY SINGLE TIME!
THERE IS NOTHING SERIOUS ABOUT ANYTHING YOU EVER POST!
YOU ARE FULL OF EXCREMENT!
YOU FOOL NOBODY!
Paying customers have privileges.
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - DefCONNOne - 09-21-2017 09:55 AM
(09-21-2017 09:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:47 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
It pleases me to no end that you think every cop shooting is the cops fault. Never mind the facts of each case, if a cop shoots somebody, it's the cops fault.
I have not given my opinion on this case. I simply asked a question.
Perhaps you can answer the question.
Can you think of an incident when a cop wrongfully shot and killed someone? Honest question.
I'm not the anti-cop poster here, you are. I'm sure you have a multitude of links backing up your hateful opinion(s), I don't. Although, I can see your witty retort in my minds-eye as soon as I hit send.
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - miko33 - 09-21-2017 10:16 AM
(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
Sure, but not in this case. The disabled man's dad is the one at fault. His gross negligence via the hit and run incident had unexpected consequences.
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - Fitbud - 09-21-2017 10:19 AM
(09-21-2017 10:16 AM)miko33 Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
Sure, but not in this case. The disabled man's dad is the one at fault. His gross negligence via the hit and run incident had unexpected consequences.
I realize what you are saying. At some point, the cops found themselves in a situation where they felt like they had no choice but to shoot.
What led them to that situation? What could have been done differently to avoid that situation? What information would have helped them approach that situation differently?
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - miko33 - 09-21-2017 10:37 AM
(09-21-2017 10:19 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 10:16 AM)miko33 Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
Sure, but not in this case. The disabled man's dad is the one at fault. His gross negligence via the hit and run incident had unexpected consequences.
I realize what you are saying. At some point, the cops found themselves in a situation where they felt like they had no choice but to shoot.
What led them to that situation? What could have been done differently to avoid that situation? What information would have helped them approach that situation differently?
Interesting question. What do you think they could have done differently, Fit?
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - Fitbud - 09-21-2017 10:51 AM
(09-21-2017 10:37 AM)miko33 Wrote:(09-21-2017 10:19 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 10:16 AM)miko33 Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
Sure, but not in this case. The disabled man's dad is the one at fault. His gross negligence via the hit and run incident had unexpected consequences.
I realize what you are saying. At some point, the cops found themselves in a situation where they felt like they had no choice but to shoot.
What led them to that situation? What could have been done differently to avoid that situation? What information would have helped them approach that situation differently?
Interesting question. What do you think they could have done differently, Fit?
We don't know because they never tell us what happened before. All we ever see is the video when cops already have weapons drawn and have to fire on an approaching person with or without a weapon.
It's one thing if they get a call about shots fired and then we see how it all went down.
It's another when they go to a possible hit and run and end up shooting someone.
Investigating a hit and run shouldn't end in the death of a def person.
Questioning a guy smoking a joint in a park shouldn't end in death.
What the hell is happening before cops draw their weapons that is cause this to happen?
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - HappyAppy - 09-21-2017 11:05 AM
I think the officer who shot the man should, at the very least, lose his job.
Being a police officer is a stressful, difficult, often thankless job. I get that. Police risk their lives to protect their communities, and I respect them for that.
Having said that, there is a ton of responsibility when you carry a gun and a badge.
The deaf, mentally disabled man was walking toward him with a pipe in his hand. Not charging him, not holding the pipe up like he was going to strike. The officer wasn't alone; he had a partner right there, ready to taze the guy. The neighbors were yelling to him that the man couldn't hear him.
I understand that the police have to make split second decisions. It's hard. Given everything I listed above, I don't want this guy in a position to make a decision like that again. It's a tragedy, and I'm sure this officer didn't want to shoot this guy, but I think he messed up here. He choked.
That doesn't mean he should be charged with murder (or even charged with anything). At the very least he shouldn't be in a position to do something like that again. There has to be atleast some discretion in situations like this before killing somebody.
RE: Cops shoot deaf man for refusing verbal command. - Paul M - 09-21-2017 11:07 AM
(09-21-2017 09:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:36 AM)Paul M Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote: Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.
Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?
Yeah, standing back and watching rioters and looters break the law.
What's more important? The life of a person or material possessions?
I didn't say anything about killing them all. Is this little thing called arrest.